Pope says Atheists are saved

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To assume that the sacrifice could only save the people that believe the sacrifice saved them would make for a pretty ineffectual God. What if it only rained on people that believed it would rain on them? The Pope's position is the only one that makes any sense.
 
Glaucus said:
Plus he is infallible.
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well, no......let me put on my 'formerly from catholic school' hat on

the pope is not 'infallible' all the time. He has to declare that he is about to make an infallible statement. And he does this in a dissertation (or some long-assed article).
If I recall properly this is an example: HUMANAE VITAE

when this new pope said atheists were cool he was speaking off the cuff. And I've already seen that other bishops were disagreeing with him.

of course, I get The Joke, but I had to explain this because, well, I can't help it :D
 
For a second there I thought I misspelled something... :D
 
@Robert,

Don Tsin would be a great name for a new Italian/Chinese infusion eatery.
 
will era get these blood stains out of my shirt? crap!! i thought only peta soaked people with blood...
 
I don't need an invisible friend to be ethical.

But though both moral and immoral behaviors can be promoted by religions, morality itself — either in individual behavior or social codes — simply cannot come from the will or commands of a God. This has been recognized by philosophers since the time of Plato.
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Should we be afraid that a morality based on our genes and our brains is somehow inferior to one handed down from above? Not at all. In fact, it's far better, because secular morality has a flexibility and responsiveness to social change that no God-given morality could ever have. Secular morality is what pushes religion to improve its own dogma on issues such as slavery and the treatment of women. Secular morality is what prevents ethically irrelevant matters — what we eat, read or wear, when we work, or whom we have sex with — from being grouped with matters of genuine moral concern, like rape and child abuse. And really, isn't it better to be moral because you've worked out for yourself — in conjunction with your group — the right thing to do, rather than because you want to propitiate a god or avoid punishment in the hereafter?
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I never met anyone who couldn't be improved with a little torture -- Marquis de Sade

I never met anyone I didn't like better with BBQ sauce -- Jeffrey Dahmer

I preach atheism and share Kool Aid with everyone, the glasses are all equal sized -- Rev Jim Jones

I'm an atheist and a socialist, and if I killed 30- or 40 million people, so what? - - Stalin
 
@Metalman,

I think you're on a good baby step to trying to figure out why an all knowing, all powerful, and all loving God doesn't in any way act like it. You have various examples where your God allowed the death of people and many believers.

Next you should start reading the rest of the history of the world:
* Why in the Bible does God say it's wrong to kill, when a few chapters later he has his chosen people commit genocide?
* There was so much hunger in the world 2K years ago but nothing compared today. Why does God choose to negatively impact the physical lives of so many?
* Why did God's people take 40 years to travel from Cairo to Jerusalem? It's about 270 miles, so the chosen people traveled at 1/2 a mile per month? Science had the sextant or compass, let alone the GPS, can have you traveling on foot in much quicker time. He may be all powerful but God as your co-pilot will get your ass lost.
* Why did God allow his followers to commit genocide in the Americas, Middle-East, Europe, and Africa in his name?
* Why did God allow a Catholic leading Lutherans kill about 50% of his chosen people in Europe in the middle of the 20th Century?
* Why is prayer statistically indistinguishable from chance? Even when studied and done by Christian hospitals, doctors, and patients (Psst it was actually a little worse.)
* Why does God's documented word support misogyny and slavery, thereby getting it's morals wrong?

And I don't know about you but if I were an all knowing, all powerful, and all loving God one of the first things I'd do is disallow the leaders of my church from {bleep} children and covering it up. Instead I'd empower them with some love.

Now to just take that mote out of your own eye first.
 
faethor said:
And I don't know about you but if I were an all knowing, all powerful, and all loving God one of the first things I'd do is disallow the leaders of my church from {bleep} children .
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Because when it comes to {bleep} children, that requires professional accreditation, and teachers union membership

A high school teacher charged with eight felonies in connection with engaging in sex acts with students pleaded no contest Friday to a charge of unlawful sexual intercourse.
 
Again your God fails to protect the supposed most import people, children, from danger. Another good example of the failure of the idea of a caring deity. Thanks for the example.
 
metalman said:
Because when it comes to {bleep} children, that requires professional accreditation, and teachers union membership

A high school teacher charged with eight felonies in connection with engaging in sex acts with students pleaded no contest Friday to a charge of unlawful sexual intercourse.
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A strangely incomparable case to bring up. Seems she was prosecuted and admitted to her crimes despite quite possibly not being criminally responsible due to bad prescription practice. If only the union had protected her as the church protects it's clergy perhaps she could have made a career out of inappropriate sexual contact.
 
@Fluffy,
If the Union acted like God's faithful they would have not followed up, not prosecuted, and instead given her a 'fresh start' at a new school with a new set of unsuspecting victims.
 
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