Recruiting all misogynists! Beat up all the women you want and make money doing it!

[redrumloa]

All you have to do is claim to be a woman!

Enter Fallon Fox, a male-to-female transgender person, who has now decided to make a living by beating up women. With a record of 5-1, none of Fallon’s female victims have even made it past two minutes of the first round. If you were to watch these fights, it would look very much like you would expect…a man knocking a woman unconscious. Last night, she broke a woman’s orbital bone in the very first round.

In the name of political correctness, leftists have come out championing the cause, as Fallon ragdolls female opponents into oblivion.

 

[JoBBo]

I will spare everyone else the need to read through what feels like a million gender stereotypes. The main argument in this "opinion piece" is that naturally higher levels of testerone are the primary cause for why professional male athletes outperform female athletes with similar practice regimes, etc.

There is actually some merit to this argument. Unfortunately, the author focuses entirely on what genitalia someone was born with and completely misses the fact that there are (biological) women who are born with uncommonly high testosterone levels. This condition is called "hyperandrogenism" and has been cause for some debate among professional athletes.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

There's also another little thing that testosterone does - it makes the bones of your skull and especially the jaw bone stronger in men than in women. Fist fights between male humans has apparently been a thing for a very long time.

 

[JoBBo]

There's also another little thing that testosterone does - it makes the bones of your skull and especially the jaw bone stronger in men than in women.

It also makes it stronger in women who grow up with unnaturally high testosterone levels, which was my point.

Bone density was being mentioned by the author as well but you make the same mistake by reducing this strictly to a men vs. women issue. It is more complicated than that.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

It also makes it stronger in women who grow up with unnaturally high testosterone levels, which was my point.

Bone density was being mentioned by the author as well but you make the same mistake by reducing this strictly to a men vs. women issue. It is more complicated than that.

And the key there is "unnaturally high", or more accurately freakishly high - since these outliers tend to come by their high testosterone naturally rather than artificially, but they are not typical. The typical male has higher testosterone than the typical female. It is still generally accurate to say that people have five fingers on each hand even though there are individuals that display numbers of digits that diverge from this number. I don't think the existence of outliers justifies saying that the issue of digit count is "complicated".

 

[JoBBo]

And the key there is "unnaturally high", or more accurately freakishly high - since these outliers tend to come by their high testosterone naturally rather than artificially, but they are not typical.

We were discussing transgender people, a minority, and professional fighting, a rare way of earning money. There is nothing "typical" about this.

I don't think the existence of outliers justifies saying that the issue of digit count is "complicated".

Again, I am afraid you missed the context. People who become professional fighters tend to be biologically suited for this activity. If they were merely "typical" or even had common deficiencies such as brittle bones, they would usually be weeded out at the amateur level.

If bone density was truly a major deciding factor of fights, then why shouldn't fighters also be paired by measured bone density, not merely by how much they weigh?

 

[Robert]

If bone density was truly a major deciding factor of fights, then why shouldn't fighters also be paired by measured bone density, not merely by how much they weigh?

I don't follow this sport but perhaps they should.
Perhaps they should also ensure fighters are of similar height, have similar reach and similar reaction times. I guess that would make it fairer too.
More sporting, you might say.
Actually, I'm not sure I consider people willingly knocking seven shades of shite out of each other to even be a "sport" but that's another discussion...

 

[redrumloa]

I can't believe this is even a discussion with a side defending a biological man's right beat a biological women into a broken bone, bloody pulp. A biological man and a biological women are 2 completely different things. Any attempt to argue that a man should be allowed to put on a dress so he can beat the shit out of women without fear of a fair fight is stunning.

Political correctness forced WWE(formerly WWF) to stop all female vs men fighting. Before PC took over there was a woman (Chyna) who wrestled with the men and held a few titles. But no, SJW and PC culture put an end to it. In the last couple years women on women matches are finally making a comeback, but overall women in wrestling has once again been reduced to eye candy prancing around.

So political correctness won't let man on women wrestling, in a fake sport that is only theatrics, but has no problem in a real blood sport seeing a man beat a women bloody?

 

[redrumloa]

Again, I am afraid you missed the context. People who become professional fighters tend to be biologically suited for this activity. If they were merely "typical" or even had common deficiencies such as brittle bones, they would usually be weeded out at the amateur level.

But an above well above average women would still be well below the average man. It is not just common sense, but well established science. Men and women are different.

Do you know how badly the NFL wants a first female player? It goes back at least 25 years, but has not happened yet. By high school it is almost unheard of for a girl to be on any of the teams (Varsity, JV etc). Once every 3-5 years there will be a national story of a girl joining the team, usually as a kicker. After the initial story you never hear anything again, likely because they took their first hit. Only once can I remember a story of a high school girl making a team outside a kicker position. A few years back a local high school team had a girl QB o the team. It made national primetime news for weeks. Then the season started and you never heard of her again, likely because she took the first hit.

That's high school. Move one rung up the ladder to college and I can only remember ever hearing of one story of a girl making the team, again as a kicker (punter?) which obviously made the national news. She may have played a few games, but I never heard of her again after the news and she clearly was not drafted into the NFL.

NFL? For all their desires, they've not found one woman able to play in the league.

Now keep in mind on lower levels we are almost always exclusively talking about kickers. Historically kickers are the punchline to football jokes, as they are almost always the smallest and frailest members of the team. Before cameras put a lid on the really bad locker room stuff, kickers would get ribbed even from their own team as "gay" or being a woman. A woman with above average build and testosterone level has not been able to crack this level for a reason.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

We were discussing transgender people, a minority, and professional fighting, a rare way of earning money.

I was responding to your comment: "that there are (biological) women who are born with uncommonly high testosterone levels."

Do you hold the opinion that transgender people like the one discussed in the article are simply women who grew up with uncommonly high testosterone (due to having male genitals)?

Again, I am afraid you missed the context. People who become professional fighters tend to be biologically suited for this activity. If they were merely "typical" or even had common deficiencies such as brittle bones, they would usually be weeded out at the amateur level.

Fair enough. I'm not familiar with the sport. Do all female fighters look like men? Considering how rare the condition is and how few top female athletes actually look like men? I just assumed that they probably don't.

If bone density was truly a major deciding factor of fights, then why shouldn't fighters also be paired by measured bone density, not merely by how much they weigh?

Perhaps the weeding out process gets rid of fighters with particular weaknesses as you propose. Perhaps weight is a pretty good proxy measure for bone density for fighters of the same sex. However, having made your way through the hierarchy as a female always fighting females it would still come as a sudden extreme challenge to have to box a man (or someone who had the body of a man). This is a danger to regular female fighters and the danger to other fighters merits at least as much consideration as the danger to the emotions of a fighter excluded for being too strong.
If male boxing were to suddenly open the doors to people who were born as bears, raised as bears, had the bodies of bears but identified as people it might raise a few eyebrows.

I could also see this as being extremely demotivating for female athletes if the sports they work so hard at have the top tiers clogged up with indomitable transgender champions. Some boxers may feel the need to split and form a female women's association.

 

[redrumloa]

Fair enough. I'm not familiar with the sport. Do all female fighters look like men?

No. Ronda Rousey is probably the #1 female fighter in the world. You tell me if she looks like a man

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

No. Ronda Rousey is probably the #1 female fighter in the world. You tell me if she looks like a man

From a consideration of my physiological response I would have to assume that this person either does not look like a man, or I am unwittingly gay.

 

[Robert]

Boxing is a strange sport.
These two don't look that evenly matched either....

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=680543642122710

 

[redrumloa]

The lunacy keeps getting worse. Apparently if a person decides they want a sex change, they can do whatever the hell they want without question. They can also take performance enhancing drugs, while their competition can't. But hey, if you are a SJW then the concept of a "man" beating up a biological woman is a-OK.

TOLERANCE: “Male” Transgender Wrestler Steamrolls Competition. In Female Division…

Mack Beggs, a transgender 17-year-old at Euless Trinity, won the girls 110-pound championship at Saturday’s Class 6A Region II wrestling meet after a Coppell wrestler forfeited the final. Beggs, a junior, is taking testosterone while transitioning from female to male.

Madeline Rocha’s forfeit came 11 days after a lawsuit was filed against the University Interscholastic League by Coppell attorney and wrestling parent Jim Baudhuin, urging the governing body to suspend Beggs because of the use of the steroid. The suit claims that allowing the wrestler to compete while using testosterone exposes other athletes to “imminent threat of bodily harm.” Baudhuin’s daughter is not in the same weight class as Beggs.

Pratik Khandelwal, whose daughter also wrestles for Coppell, is named as the plaintiff and is bringing the case forward on behalf of his minor daughter and “other similarly situated female wrestlers” in the state, according to the suit. Khandelwal’s daughter did not wrestle Beggs because they were in different weight classes this weekend.

Behold, the power of testosterone…

 

[redrumloa]

At least this one doesn't involve physical violence of a biological male beating a woman half to death, but equally as eye-rolling. Average build male failing to win titles as a weightlifter? Grow your hair out and claim to be a woman! *WHAM* Instant world champ!

‘Transwoman’ Beats Real Women, Wins INTERNATIONAL Weightlifting Title…

 

[redrumloa]

We are really reduced to living in Bizarro World. Science and biology are teh evils!! Not only is it evil! It's too hard for the dumbed down plebs. The inevitable is happening though, the left are feeding on themselves. SJW vs SJW and especially hardened feminists vs trannies.

Anyhow, lets take a look back at the shunned science of biology, that's too hard for people to understand.

Men
The average adult American male is 5 feet 9.5 inches tall, according to data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention between 2007 and 2010.
The average adult American male (20 years and older) is 195.5 pounds, according to the CDC.

Women
The average height and weight of women varies around the world, but in the United States in 2010, the average adult female height was 63.8 inches (approximately 5 feet 4 inches) and 166.2 pounds, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Wait, so there is a biological difference between men and women? Doesn't seem so hard for me to understand, but I've been told by TV and pop culture lately that it is all just a social construct? OK, but what if we limit competitors to the same weight class?

Males have larger skeletal size and bone mass than females, despite comparable body size.

Oh dear, but skeletal frame and bone mass isn't muscle mass, right?

Gender differences in strength and muscle fiber characteristics.
The women were approximately 52% and 66% as strong as the men in the upper and lower body respectively. The men were also stronger relative to lean body mass.

I'm confused! Could SJW be lying? But strength is just due to results of social constructs with little girls growing up playing with barbies and little boys playing sports right?

Women only produce one-seventh of the testosterone men do

Come on people! Stop ignoring biology. If a guy wants to put on a dress and call himself a woman, more power to him. But he's still a him. Don't pretend he's a woman and let him beat the living shit out of a woman and call it fair. This is especially true for MMA fighting or other physical fighting. There is no difference between some drunkard beating his wife and letting a tranny fight a women in MMA. Neither is a fair fight.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

‘Transwoman’ Beats Real Women, Wins INTERNATIONAL Weightlifting Title…

@KimberleeDowns tweet that:

She's leading with best snatch of 123kg.

has left me with an uncomfortable combination of laughter and gagging.

 

[JoBBo]

No. Ronda Rousey is probably the #1 female fighter in the world. You tell me if she looks like a man

I missed this when it was originally posted. This happens to be an extremely misleading photo since it is quite old and does not show her normal fighting physique.

Here is a far more accurate picture:

I am quite a bit taller and likely heavier than either of these two women but I would not fight either of them in a ring, unless someone offered me an obscene amount of money just for showing up and losing horribly.