Republicans Grandstanding? Aka healthcare

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It appears the GOP is going to front Gov. Healthcare as one of the first votes.

Pretty amazing as the GOP demanded more sessions and special meetings on 'Obamacare'. Yet, they now don't have to follow their own requests? It appears they're holding ZERO of their own requested meetings.

The GOP ran on cutting the US Deficit. The new US Healthcare package, according to the Congressional Budget Office, within the next decade will reduce the deficit by $138 Billion, compared to not putting the Healthcare package in place. So now the Republicans want to add to the deficit as nothing in their purposal keeps the savings.

It appears the GOP doesn't have the votes to over turn Healthcare nor the support from Dems to overturn it. But, instead of building support they're running ahead?

GOP Grandstanding is back.

Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.
 
Yeah no town hall meetings. No internal meetings. They somehow know the 'will of the people'?

The Republicans, if they used this survey, appear to stopped reading at the top of page 2. Top of page 2 indicates 43% favor healthcare reforms while 54% oppose it. Will of the people against YEAH... But if you read the details you'll find that 13% of those say the law is too liberal. The depth of opposition is important. I'd say 56% of the people don't want to go back as 13% want more. And if you're establishing the will 3% don't know what they want. So now we have 59%, a majority no doubt, that don't want to turn back.

Look at the details and you'll find that 38% favor the mandate so large minority, not majority. Yeah you're right!... But, again read a bit more and that 61-64% support denying healthcare companies from rejections due to pre-existing conditions and preventions of dropping the seriously ill. So a majority supports resolutions within the Healthcare bill. The will of the people is to get rid of something 64% desire?

The rest of the survey breaks down into race and age classificaitons the survey.

So how did the Republicans establish the will? They held Town Halls and Meeting to get input because they demanded that of the Dems. Oops no they can't hold themselves their own demands. Instead go to the grandstanding...

I was kinda waiting for more Town Halls. Nothing was more amusing then the Keep the Government out of my Medicare signs.
 
I agree clearly it's not World Nutters Daily or Faux News so therefore must be rejected. :roflmao:

Fox News once reported 49% want healthcare reform and 48% do not.

But really, your point goes to mine. If news source polls are untrustworthy to establish public opinion then what is? How about Town Halls and other meetings that the Republicans demanded. Sounds good to me... Oh the Republicans won't allow those. So 'will of the majority' is established how? Obviously by not talking to people.
 
redrumloa said:
Republicans Grandstanding?
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No, they are doing the will of the people.
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"The will of the people"?? Seriously? Jim?

"The people" don't have a will. They have a collective fear.

"The people" don't know what they want until someone tells them what they want, or what they fear the most, and who's to blame for it.

Even then, "the people" only know what they hear, and the only people they hear are those who manipulate the collective fears of "the people" to their own ends, regardless of "the good of the people". This is why they're referred to as the "Sheeple", and you, better than most (cause you hang out here with us bright gits) should know that.

Wayne
 
redrumloa said:
Republicans Grandstanding?
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No, they are doing the will of the people.
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:lol:

Hahaha...... that is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever read on here.

Bravo!

:banana:
 
redrumloa said:
Republicans Grandstanding?
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No, they are doing the will of the people.
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: That's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever seen you write
 
Didn't the Teabagger Republicans tell us we need to reduce Deficit spending? The politically neutral CBO came out with thier analysis. By 2020 repealing Healthcare will add over 230 Billion to our Deficit. Wasn't the will of the people to do things like this that reduced our Deficit? And if repeal of Healthcare was too then how did the Republicans establish the will to select one over the other? Don't forget the Republicans said their first item of business would be to reduce government spending and the Deficit. And of course Republicans encouraged fair, open debates and allowing more ammendments (or so stated Boehner). Yet the first bill they purpose is not open to debate, not open to ammendments, and must go for an immediate vote? The elected Republicans didn't even give it a week to turn their backs on their promises to the people of the USA.
 
Robert said:
:lol:

Hahaha...... that is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever read on here.

Bravo!

:banana:
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I guess you and Cecilia missed the results of the last election, try Google.
 
redrumloa said:
Robert said:
:lol:

Hahaha...... that is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever read on here.

Bravo!

:banana:
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I guess you and Cecilia missed the results of the last election, try Google.
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:shock:

Good grief - you're actually serious?


So, where were your "No, he's doing the will of the people," comments after Obama's election?
All we got was a concentrated-to-the-point-of-absurdity attack on everything about him.

Can't you see the absurdity of your hypocrisy?

Hahahahahahaha....

If people as easily led as this didn't already exist, we'd have to make them up.

Anyway, again, Bravo!
Keep it up in 2011. ;-)
 
Robert said:
:So, where were your "No, he's doing the will of the people," comments after Obama's election?
All we got was a concentrated-to-the-point-of-absurdity attack on everything about him.

Can't you see the absurdity of your hypocrisy?

Hahahahahahaha....

If people as easily led as this didn't already exist, we'd have to make them up.

Anyway, again, Bravo!
Keep it up in 2011. ;-)
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Oh course no one should expect the forum guy from Glasgow to remember major events in US politics, so here is a refresher.

Republican win largest in over a century
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/11/0 ... a-century/

Tuesday’s GOP victory is the party’s largest win congressional elections since President Grover Cleveland’s second term more than a century ago.

With 13 races yet to be called, Republicans have gained 59 seats in the U.S. House. That surpasses the party’s 54-seat pickup in the 1994 midterm elections and the 55-seat gain in the 1946 election during President Harry Truman’s term.

In 1894, Republicans gained 124 seats amid the economic decline known as the “Panic of 1893.”
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How quickly they forget. And why was the race so lopsided?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/obama-feels ... rom=smh_sb

Two years of "hope and change" politics has come to quick and decisive end. The Democrats have lost control of Congress.

The biggest single element in the landslide was "Obamacare", the sweeping health care reform which is perceived as an extra burden by millions of Americans, and an unwelcome expansion of centralised government.
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All the snarky comments in the world won't change the facts.
 
redrumloa said:
Oh course no one should expect the forum guy from Glasgow to remember major events in US politics.....
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Perhaps not but you might expect the forum guy from Florida to have some sort of clue. ;-)
 
redrumloa said:
Republican win largest in over a century
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You are confusing breadth of a win with depth of support. Let me explain this clear confusion of breadth of wins is not depth of support. Take for a good example within your own state the newly elected Republican US Senator Mark Rubio. He received 2.6Million votes or roughly 49% of voting public. So over 1/2 the voters didn't support him, or his plans. Add into that that Florida turned out only 51% of eligble voters. This Republican won by the support of 23% of the State. This isn't uncommon. A significant majority, heck most, of the elections are a vocal minority of support (23%) who determined the elected result?

'Will of the Majority' -- 23% of the public supported by vote the 'repeal of Healthcare'? I hope you understand why others were mocking this ideal of 'Majority'.

All the snarky comments in the world won't change the facts.
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Your own link to the Australian source was snarky in it's own right. Though interesting in again supporting my point. It lists one reason is Healthcare and the other reason is reducing Deficit spending. So how since this event did the Republicans determine that removing Healthcare which in turn increases the deficit by 230 Billion in the next 8 years is the 'will of the people'? Republicans said (Boehner for example) that new legislation would be open for debate and open for ammendments. Here but a couple of days later we can see how the Republicans gave up that idea, at least when it comes to the Healthcare or increasing the deficit.

Grandstanding? No public discussion. Don't build support just vote. Conflicts with the other winning reasons of the party. A false claim of 'will of majority' by winning with 25% support. Not enough Congressional support for passage. And if by some act of Scratch it does pass clearly not enough support to overturn a veto. Week 1, Item 1 -- Grandstand.
 
faethor said:
Take for a good example within your own state the newly elected Republican US Senator Mark Rubio. He received 2.6Million votes or roughly 49% of voting public. So over 1/2 the voters didn't support him, or his plans.
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Err, you do know that this was a 3 way race with former Republican Charlie Christ running as an independent, don't you? Essentially you had 2 Republicans running, Charlie got 30% as an independent. The Democrat who got direct support and visits by Obama during his campaign, Kendrick Meek, only got 20%.
 
redrumloa said:
faethor said:
Take for a good example within your own state the newly elected Republican US Senator Mark Rubio. He received 2.6Million votes or roughly 49% of voting public. So over 1/2 the voters didn't support him, or his plans.
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Err, you do know that this was a 3 way race with former Republican Charlie Christ running as an independent, don't you? Essentially you had 2 Republicans running, Charlie got 30% as an independent. The Democrat who got direct support and visits by Obama during his campaign, Kendrick Meek, only got 20%.
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Let's follow your logic here and assume that all of Christ's voters would have voted for Rubio if Christ didn't run. The net result is still not a clear indicator of a majority. Nor does it indicate which part of these voters want to give up healthcare and find that increasing the deficit to do so is a good thing. Remember you posted in your article that fighting the deficit spending was one reason for the Republican victory.

Rubio isn't the only case of this across the country. I simply used Rubio as it was from your state so I thought you might relate more that even your own Senator doesn't have a majority support.
 
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