Ron Paul Libertarian

faethor said:
Or Radical Christian Fundy?
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The real danger of home schooling is ... what? A lot of different opinions and a fair lump of ignorant people? What is the benefit of state schooling? Uniformity. Yes, letting everyone do their own schooling could end up very destructive to the fabric of society. Things go smoother when everyone thinks the same and has the same values and beliefs. However, perhaps it is OK to have a large number of ignorant people who are obedient so long as you tell them that it's their God's will that they obey. We can't all be in the ruling classes and dumbing down schooling is somewhat necessary to have a stock of people who haven't the vision to do anything else but be an employee and be grateful for it. As to whether public schooling or homeschooling is superior to achieve that end is perhaps academic.

Of course, in a liberal republic then the education of all to be informed voters is a (socialistic) ideal, but realistically, once the public schooling has fallen into the hands of those that would use it to train up a slave class truancy may be a better option.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
The real danger of home schooling is ... what? A lot of different opinions and a fair lump of ignorant people? What is the benefit of state schooling? Uniformity.
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Either schooling type is able to indoctrinate uniformity. Often the home schooled are done for a religious reason and by parents that graduated High School. Sure there may be college PHDs staying home and educating kids but the few not the norm. Home Schooling helps to enshrine and indoctrinate uniformity in the 'religious' standards. So neither one immune from the potential of uniformity. It all depends upon approach. The reality we're seeing in the USA is the majority of the home schooled are even more ignorant and more easily manipulated through religious controls.
 
LOL!
Home school beats the public school system every time, if the parent genuinely is up to it. Someone is angry because a kid home school might be exposed to religion? I was exposed to religion and it didn't ruin me, nor am I a religious person as an adult.
 
Catholic schools are great for teaching all the important basics.

the main problem with home schooling is what if your parent sucks as a teacher? It's a special skill/talent and not everyone has it.


the biggest problem is the mistaken notion that religion belongs with polices.
that's completely UNamerican
 
faethor said:
Either schooling type is able to indoctrinate uniformity.
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I'm not sure we're using the same definition of uniformity. When I use it I mean that many people are give the same teaching. This is done through curriculum and having a small number of teachers teaching many children. You get more uniformity if you have few teachers and many children. If you have one or two teachers for every one or two children you get less uniformity, both in quality and content, of education.
In the former a collective teaches the consensus whereas in the latter individual eccentricities can propagate albeit mostly by descent.

The reality we're seeing in the USA is the majority of the home schooled are even more ignorant and more easily manipulated through religious controls.
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Yes, and there is a great advantage in that. One of the things that makes people hard to control is too much education. If the complexity of the universe can be covered up and papered over with simple thoughts and stories then the critical faculties can be blunted and obedience enhanced. Elites will continue to educate elite children in the theories of rule and the rest of the children will be raised as work animals - after a brief experiment with egalitarian citizen rule we find that people just don't care that much and we revert to the natural order - nobles and peasants - of which the majority of history is composed.
 
redrumloa said:
Someone is angry because a kid home school might be exposed to religion? I was exposed to religion and it didn't ruin me debatable
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well yeah... it does matter if your religion tells you the earth is 6000 yrs old and men used to ride dinosaurs... how could that not matter?... some stuff is kinda important...
 
redrumloa said:
LOL!
Home school beats the public school system every time, if the parent genuinely is up to it. Someone is angry because a kid home school might be exposed to religion? I was exposed to religion and it didn't ruin me, nor am I a religious person as an adult.
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I'll add that the USA is a diverse place. Where we live influences opinions on this subject. This includes not only our educational institutions but the monitoring of home schooling. Florida is constantly at the bottom of public education measures. If I lived in Florida I would certainly be thinking about private or home schooling. OTOH, Minnesota is constantly towards the top of public education measures. (Under a Republican Senate and Gov we did slip a couple slots.) Also, MN tends to be towards the top of monitoring and measuring at home schooling. If something isn't going right it benefits to early identify the problem. Either the parent can fix what they're doing or the kid can be pulled and placed in a public school. In some States the home education quality monitoring isn't as good and a kid can go years and slip many grade levels before the issue is detected.

I agree that all education depends upon the parent and the teachers being genuinely up to it. All parents must be involved in the education of their child. Having worked St.Paul schools I've seen the kids whose parents, through their actions, don't care. If a kid is having problems, and they often are because that parent usually doesn't care in other ways, it's very difficult to fix those sorts of issues.

Exposure to religion isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think all kids should be exposed to every religion. What is a bad thing when the at home bias teaches items as facts that are untrue due to their religious bias. Something public school does help to do is expose kids to the differences in people that Home Schooling is less likely to enable. That's a good thing. I'm all for teaching the controversy - kids discuss creationism what evidence do we have for Zeus, for Jupiter, for Vishnu, for God...
 
robert l. bentham said:
well yeah... it does matter if your religion tells you the earth is 6000 yrs old and men used to ride dinosaurs... how could that not matter?... some stuff is kinda important...
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I was not taught this. Why do you guys always point at such a tiny wacko minority and pretend it is the common view? The indoctrinating and brain washing going on in right now public schools are much worse than that.
 
cecilia said:
I wish it WAS a small minority

http://www.straightdope.com/columns...ieves-the-earth-is-less-than-10-000-years-old
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That link does not say any percentage of people believe the earth is 6,000 years old. It does say this.

Before you start excoriating the numbskulls, bub, you'd better make sure you've got the facts straight yourself. Though some percentage of Americans doubtless believes in a "young earth" (i.e., our planet is less than 10,000 years old), as far as I can tell that wasn't the subject of the 2004 study.
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So my point still stands ;)
 
@Cecilia,
My personal experience is the Home Schoolers are predominately conservative Christians. More often it's fear the school might teach diversity that their home doesn't support.
 
faethor said:
@Cecilia,
My personal experience is the Home Schoolers are predominately conservative Christians. More often it's fear the school might teach diversity that their home doesn't support.
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Must be localized to your blue state gated community;)
(Don't take this too seriously)
 
redrumloa said:
Must be localized to your blue state gated community;)
(Don't take this too seriously)
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Well, we are making a gate to keep the horses on the lawn, giving them more grazing area. So, I'm soon to live in a 'gated' home.

Here's something that may interest you. 2003 Home School study Indicates 85% of Home School parents indicate the fear of the school environment as their reason. With 72% the desire to include religious instruction. At least in survey providing a greater level of religious indoctrination is a predominant factor. What exact religious teaching these kids are getting we don't know from this survey. I'd bet it's less on the 'God is love so get along in society' liberal version of Christianity. Why? Because school would be a prime place for actual experience on how to make that work within one's community.
 
faethor said:
Here's something that may interest you. 2003 Home School study Indicates 85% of Home School parents indicate the fear of the school environment as their reason. With 72% the desire to include religious instruction. At least in survey providing a greater level of religious indoctrination is a predominant factor. What exact religious teaching these kids are getting we don't know from this survey. I'd bet it's less on the 'God is love so get along in society' liberal version of Christianity. Why? Because school would be a prime place for actual experience on how to make that work within one's community.
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Best reason to home school your kids in South Florida? They won't get shanked, peer pressured to snort bath salts, gang rapped in the bathroom etc. My kids all went/go to public schools. I'd rather have home schooled them but in our situation it may not have worked out for various reasons. We really have to stay involved in their lives to guide them through the landmines. When moving back to Florida we had to do our homework for the best school district in the home price range we could afford. It ain't easy. I envy those who home school and I certainly don't have the perception that home schoolers are doing it to create little Westboro Baptist Chruch loving kids.
 
redrumloa said:
That link does not say any percentage of people believe the earth is 6,000 years old. It does say this.



So my point still stands ;)
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/148427/say-bible-literally.aspx

The high point in the percentage of Americans favoring a literal interpretation of the Bible was 40%, recorded in 1980 and 1984. The low point was 27% in 2001
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Belief in a literal interpretation of a Bible declines as educational attainment increases. Forty-six percent of Americans with a high school education or less take the Bible literally, compared with no more than 22% of Americans with at least some college education
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx
Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.
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Americans with postgraduate education are most likely of all the educational groups to say humans evolved without God's guidance, and least likely to say God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years. The creationist viewpoint "wins" among Americans with less than a postgraduate education.
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just saw this on G+ and it describes my mother as a mother AND a teacher:

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