So long Catholic Church

I think I heard about this somewhere...very interesting. It's something I would consider doing - but NEVER while my mother is alive! holy shit would that upset her. And, yes, I care about not upsetting my mother. She's basically the only person who gets a pass from me, but she is special.

anyway, I never cared one way of the other (about being baptized) because it's all make-believe anyhow. I just love how deeply ingrained the psychosis is however:
"One can't be de-baptized," says Rev. Robert Kaslyn, dean of the School of Canon Law at the Catholic University of America.

Kaslyn says baptism changes one permanently before the church and God.


"One could refuse the grace offered by God, the grace offered by the sacrament, refuse to participate," he says, "but we would believe the individual has still been marked for God through the sacrament, and that individual at any point could return to the church."
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translation: we hope he comes back and puts money in the plate.


"marked for God" - :lol: that just cracks me up!


the guy and Europeans are correct, however.
"It's the way that the Roman Catholic Church has not followed the new approach of democracy, the new approach of the women's issue," he says, "and there is really a big gap between the Roman Catholic Church and modern times."
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the Catholic Church is inflexible and this will be their doom. which is okily dokkily with me
 
I don't know what the issue the guy has, but he does have issues. The church is under no obligation to do what he wants. I would say that to him had he been apart of a Wahabi Mosque, they are under no obligation to remove his name from their records.

Alrighty, lets get back to Catholic bashing.
 
Well, I can kinda understand the church's perspective here. Baptism washes away the stain of the original sin. Once it's been washed away, kinda hard to get back I guess.

Not sure if the church records hold any legal significance. If not, then the guy could just as easily claim he was never baptized or that he revoked it or whatever. If he really wants, he could join a satanic cult and perform some obscene ritual on church grounds and they'll excommunicate him - which is probably close enough.
 
Dammy said:
The church is under no obligation to do what he wants.
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If he had joined a political party and had then left but was still registered as a member then he would certainly be within his rights to ask to be removed from the roll. This would be especially so if he had been signed up by his parents before he had a say (or was able to speak) on the issue.

Similarly to political party membership rolls, baptismal records are used to tell politicians how many members the church has and to imply therefore how many votes they can deliver. In some jurisdictions church membership numbers are also used to determine funding and tax breaks. If people could withdraw from the church fully then this could have a serious impact on the church's power and bottom line.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
If he had joined a political party and had then left but was still registered as a member then he would certainly be within his rights to ask to be removed from the roll. This would be especially so if he had been signed up by his parents before he had a say (or was able to speak) on the issue.
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What rights does he have to force a third party in removing their information on his attendance?
 
Dammy said:
What rights does he have to force a third party in removing their information on his attendance?
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The same right that someone has to ask Facebook to take down that picture of you drunk that someone else posted.

(I guess that depends upon whether you think that individual human beings have more or less rights than collectives).
 
actually, the one useful purpose (for atheists and other non-believers) to church records is tracing one's distant ancestors. It's one of the standard methods for finding ones' long dead family members. The church may have been one of the earliest birth/marriage/deaths record keepers.

these days the church's records may be redundant as the state keeps it's own records. Anyway, my baptism on record doesn't reveal anything about how I feel. That happens as a baby (in the catholic church, anyway). As an adult I have made my atheism well known. I don't care what the church thinks of me. And I've never been unhappy about my education via the catholic schools I attended. On the contrary, I received an excellent education, despite the loonie nuns.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
The same right that someone has to ask Facebook to take down that picture of you drunk that someone else posted.

(I guess that depends upon whether you think that individual human beings have more or less rights than collectives).
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But that's not a right, that's asking them for charity work for them to do it. Lets hear what his "right" is under French law to force a third party to edit their own log of events. Kinda cool thought though, you could go demand that a titty bar delete all the video tapes and receipts of you being there before the wife finds out. Say, you could demand a college to delete all those bad grades and your attendance record as well. Guess you could do the same by demanding your former employer to delete all records, including tax records, of you working there. Should I go on?
 
Dammy said:
Lets hear what his "right" is under French law to force a third party to edit their own log of events.
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It is my impression that these records are not mere historical records but are used as evidence of church membership which is used, in some jurisdictions, for the raising of church taxes. This is why I don't believe your metaphors fit, however I do not know this for sure though it does seem that the Catholic Church decided a few years ago to stop recognizing or allowing defections from the church.

I see three dates mentioned in that article, 1983 which I presume to be the date of the introduction of defection into Canon Law, then the 2006 date mentioned in the section quoted from wikipedia, and then the 2009 which seems to revoke defection - though I didn't spend enough time paying attention to be clear on all the facts. Perhaps you are familiar with Canon Law and can enlighten me.
 
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