'Socialism' on Wall Street as Rome burns

redrumloa said:
Wall Street firms have privatized their profits and socialized their losses:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232/site/14 ... 820&play=1

This is really just business as usual. In the good old days industrialists would just dump effluent into waterways and grind peoples limbs off in their machines. The profits went to the industrialist, the cost of crappy water or being crippled was born by the people, i.e. the costs were externalized.

Meanwhile, a thief can toss a brick through a car window and make $20 for your stereo at a pawn shop, but it cost you $300 to buy and $200 to replace the glass. Crook gets to keep the profits, you get to pay for the damage.

Those are the sorts of things that regulations were brought in to control. Don't do bad while making your money. Take care of your own costs. If the crook had to cover the costs for his $20 he would quickly find his business model to be unprofitable. Businesses that cost the people more than they benefit them should also likely have to rethink their model. As long as costs can be externalized (like pollution in industry and failure in finance) then there is no motive to do better.

The problem with letting these financial companies fail is that even then it doesn't punish the right people. If your life's savings are in one of those and you are retired and living off of them, then you are toast but it's not your fault. The guys that ran those places and made huge amounts of money are the ones who need to be made to pay. The guy at the wheel has to have a personal stake else he just leaps before the crash and floats away on his golden parachute.
 
@Fluffy
Agreed mostly, here's more.

Socialism, 21st Century Style
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budget ... tury-Style

The government Tuesday nationalized the American International Group, the financial giant that could not find anyone else willing to lend it the billions of dollars it needed to stay afloat.

That is not the official version. Fed staffers, who briefed reporters at 9:15 Tuesday night, don’t even want us to say the government will control A.I.G. The government will name new management, and will have veto power over all important decisions. And it will have a warrant allowing it to take 79.9 percent of the stock whenever it wants. But they contend there is no control until the warrant is exercised.

President Truman once tried to nationalize the steel industry, arguing that a strike that halted production in wartime created a national emergency. The Supreme Court ruled that was illegal. This time, however, the company agreed to the nationalization. It was the only way to get the cash it desperately needs.

The Federal Reserve and the Bush administration believe the threat of defaults by A.I.G. on a lot of unregulated derivative contracts creates a national emergency. It’s too bad they didn’t think of that when they were opposing any efforts to regulate those markets. That would have been interfering with free enterprise. This move, somehow, is not.

The official line is also that taxpayer money is not being put at risk, since the $85 billion loan is well collateralized. No group of banks was willing to make such a loan, so you have to wonder if the collateral is really that good. And the government will not say if it will loan more should that be needed to keep A.I.G. from collapsing.

It was said that only a conservative anti-communist such as Richard Nixon could overcome domestic opposition to talking to what was then called Red China. Perhaps something similar is at work here. Can you imagine what conservatives would say if a liberal Democrat had moved to nationalize major financial companies?

Sad but true.
 
If they go a couple more steps and nationalize the Federal Reserve, then maybe it won't be so bad because then the government would still owe 20 trillion bucks but it would owe it to itself.
Oh, but that's the opposite of what they are doing. They are piling on public debt but they will still have to pay the private bankers in the end.

Meanwhile, apparently Bernanke has privately admitted "We have lost control".
 
Stocks Hit 3-Year Low on Banking Blowout
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26752496

Stocks hit a three-year low as Wall Street fell victim to a swelling lack of confidence in banks and investors began to bail into safe positions like oil and gold.

What a bunch of inbred morons running this country :roll:
 
It's amazing again and again we hear 'free market'. Again and again the market is left to drive itself. Again and again the market drives itself into the ground. Again and again the government comes to their aid. Republicans turn coat against Free Market and tell us how bad it is and why the government must borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend.

Dems need a new ad -- It should be a take off of the welfare Mom driving the caddy from the 80s. This time it's the welfare CEO owning 10 homes and driving a yacht.
 
faethor said:
It's amazing again and again we hear 'free market'. Again and again the market is left to drive itself. Again and again the market drives itself into the ground. Again and again the government comes to their aid. Republicans turn coat against Free Market and tell us how bad it is and why the government must borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend.

Dems need a new ad -- It should be a take off of the welfare Mom driving the caddy from the 80s. This time it's the welfare CEO owning 10 homes and driving a yacht.

I can't disagree, I'm pissed at this crap.
 
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