The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows

The melting of Himalayan glaciers caused controversy in 2009 when a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Changemistakenly stated that they would disappear by 2035, instead of 2350. However, the scientist who led the new work is clear that while greater uncertainty has been discovered in Asia's highest mountains, the melting of ice caps and glaciers around the world remains a serious concern.
"Our results and those of everyone else show we are losing a huge amount of water into the oceans every year," said Prof John Wahr of the University of Colorado. "People should be just as worried about the melting of the world's ice as they were before."
His team's study, published in the journal Nature, concludes that between 443-629bn tonnes of meltwater overall are added to the world's oceans each year. This is raising sea level by about 1.5mm a year, the team reports, in addition to the 2mm a year caused by expansion of the warming ocean.
The scientists are careful to point out that lower-altitude glaciers in the Asian mountain ranges – sometimes dubbed the "third pole" – aredefinitely melting. Satellite images and reports confirm this. But over the study period from 2003-10 enough ice was added to the peaks to compensate.
The impact on predictions for future sea level rise is yet to be fully studied but Bamber said: "The projections for sea level rise by 2100 will not change by much, say 5cm or so, so we are talking about a very small modification." Existing estimates range from 30cm to 1m.
Wahr warned that while crucial to a better understanding of ice melting, the eight years of data is a relatively short time period and that variable monsoons mean year-to-year changes in ice mass of hundreds of billions of tonnes. "It is awfully dangerous to take an eight-year record and predict even the next eight years, let alone the next century," he said.
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He added: "The new data does not mean that concerns about climate change are overblown in any way. It means there is a much larger uncertainty in high mountain Asia than we thought. Taken globally all the observations of the Earth's ice – permafrost, Arctic sea ice, snow cover and glaciers – are going in the same direction."

hmmm... i think you were pointing to this article to show all of us climate fools how ignorant we are.... epic fail... sorry...
 
thinning glaciers and icecaps were pushing up sea levels by 1.5 millimeters (0.06 inches) a year, in line with a 1.2 to 1.8 mm range from other studies, some of which forecast sea levels could rise as much as 2 meters (2.2 yards) by 2100.
http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-melt-mystery-over-icecaps-sea-levels-180649361.html

French scientists unveiling new estimates for global warming said on Thursday the 2 C (3.6 F) goal enshrined by the United Nations was "the most optimistic" scenario left for greenhouse-gas emissions.http://news.yahoo.com/2c-warming-goal-now-optimistic-french-scientists-175655985.html

To comment on the later this isn't too suprising. For the last decade the climate has heated at a rate slightly more then the average of the models predict.
 
One of the things about ice is that it takes enormous amounts of heat to melt it. The amount of energy needed to turn ice at 0C into water at 0C is the same amount of energy that would raise the temperature of water at 0C to 79.7C

Once the ice is gone then areas that were frozen can get hotter much faster.
 
i'd be curious to know how kansas snowfall amounts have changed over the years if at all... it seems we get less to me...
 
I can't speak to Kansas. From the reports in Minnesota the climate changes are more often noticed in the winter months and at night. Nights tend to be warmer. The winter seasons are about 3 weeks shorter than it was 30 years ago, and warmer.
 
Come to think of it, my freezer has lost no ice in the last ten years either.

I guess that settles it then - biggest scam in human history, etc, etc....
 
Whyzzat members discuss above average temps in the US while Europeans struggle under record cold snap.

In Poland, the Interior Ministry reported Monday that nine people died of hypothermia over the past 24 hours. Two elderly people were found frozen in Serbia and Bosnia, and Croatia reported 4 snow-related deaths.
Ukraine's Emergency Situation Ministry said Monday the country's death toll now stands at 135, including many homeless people. Some 2,000 have been hospitalized for frostbite or hypothermia, it said.
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Weather <> climate, except when weather is warm.
 
Observations from 1200 weather stations across the US show that temperatures have increased over the past century, on average by almost 1°F (0.6​
°​
C). The coastal Northeast, the upper Midwest, the Southwest, and parts of Alaska have experienced increases in the annual average temperature approaching 4​
°​
F (2​
°​
C) over the past 100 years. The rest of the nation has experienced less warming. The Southeast and southern Great Plains have actually experienced a slight cooling over the 20th century, but since the 1970s have had increasing temperatures as well. The largest observed warming across the nation has occurred in winter.​

actually its a bit of both... depending where you are..​

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redrumloa said:
Weather <> climate, except when weather is warm.
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You keep saying this without the slightest hint of irony.

Are you really that lacking in self awareness?
You and Dammy practically cream yourself every time something's a wee bit colder than usual.

Look at the first two posts on this thread.

Here's another:
http://www.whyzzat.com/threads/earl...ntic-northeast-crimps-travel.7418/#post-31145

That's right, one of your legendary, "biggest scam in human history" outbursts, on a thread about.......

..... wait for it......


WEATHER!



But please, keep on keeping on.
It's most entertaining.
 
Robert said:
Are you really that lacking in self awareness?
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Are you?

You and Dammy practically cream yourself every time something's a wee bit colder than usual.

Look at the first two posts on this thread.
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And? We were told that Global Warming would mean no Himalayas ice left by 2035.

Here's another:
http://www.whyzzat.com/threads/earl...ntic-northeast-crimps-travel.7418/#post-31145

That's right, one of your legendary, "biggest scam in human history" outbursts, on a thread about.......

..... wait for it......


WEATHER!



But please, keep on keeping on.
It's most entertaining.
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Did you actually click the links to see what I was responding to? It wasn't localized weather.

The concept of Anthropogenic Global Warming is indeed the biggest scam in human history. It works for some people because they have been conditioned to accept that humanity = bad, therefore anything claimed about the environment being harmed by humans must be true because it makes people FEEL all warm and fuzzy.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
One of the things about ice is that it takes enormous amounts of heat to melt it. The amount of energy needed to turn ice at 0C into water at 0C is the same amount of energy that would raise the temperature of water at 0C to 79.7C

Once the ice is gone then areas that were frozen can get hotter much faster.
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It's also been shown that ice formations regulate the temperature of the water around them. If you have a glass of ice cold water, with some chunks of ice in it, the water temp will stay around 0C until the ice melts before it starts to warm up. So in one way this means large ice formations buy us some time. But once the ice formations are gone, the temperature of the oceans may start to fluctuate much more rapidly - which will of course affect global weather as well.
 
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