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Dammy

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We were under France's current level before Obama became President. Now the Greeks are glad they ain't us.


http://usdebtclock.org/
 
@Dammy,

What is more important is the debt to GDP ratio. The US stands at about 100 percent. Greek at about 160percent.

Notably most families in the US run much worse ratios than the nation. The debt of a home and credit cards frequently far exceeds their yearly income.
 
@Dammy,

What is more important is the debt to GDP ratio. The US stands at about 100 percent. Greek at about 160percent.

Notably most families in the US run much worse ratios than the nation. The debt of a home and credit cards frequently far exceeds their yearly income.

The USA is not supposed to be a Socialist/fascist country. Our GDP ratio should be ZERO.
 
The USA is not supposed to be a Socialist/fascist country. Our GDP ratio should be ZERO.
There was only 1time in the history of the USA when the debt was paid in full. That was in the 7ths President 2nd term, Dem. Andrew Jackson
 
@Dammy,

What is more important is the debt to GDP ratio. The US stands at about 100 percent. Greek at about 160percent.

Actually we are at 102.3% and climbing. By this time next year will be at $16.4T (109% of GDP) and climbing at some absurd rate of $1T+ deficits. By Obama's proposed 2013 budget of $1.3T in fresh debt which is after the hellish hike on dividends (Investors? We don't need no stinking investors! Oh wait, those were the pension system doing the investing, ahhh...), we probably hit 150% GDP by 2018 at his current rate less things accelerate. Europe will of course save the day by bringing that day of judgement far earlier, possibly starting the process by the end of this year or sometime in 2013 with the EURO's collapse. This will of course bring down the Too Big To Fail banks in the EU which is tied to the hip with US Too Big Too Fail. This event will cause the M2 money supply to drop off the face of the abyss which will cause all the central banks to print money for a massive world wide QE which unleashes the modern day Fenris Wolf which is also known as inflation. No one will buy US debt anymore which means the US goes into a massive flat spin (stagflation) which there is no hope for recovery leaving the few pennies the USD is currently worth down to nothing. Imagine in a few short years that $9.5T in savings for US retirement accounts (401K/IRAs) being devalued to worthless status as the rest of the world wants the US to pay up on it's debts.

Notably most families in the US run much worse ratios than the nation. The debt of a home and credit cards frequently far exceeds their yearly income.

That's alright, there will be very few people owning homes after this "adjustment" as the banks go into massive foreclosures spike until they themselves are so full of toxic assets, they roll over and die. Not to worry, the FDIC has already seen this event coming and has ordered the TBTF banks that are worth in access of $250B to have a plan of breakup by this July, the rest will have till Jan 2013. This will of course leave the Soros and his ilk free to buy up properties (via failed banks auction of toxic assets) for probably a fraction of a penny on the dollar with hard assets like gold/silver. There you go, Progressive Utopia achieved, middle class is gone and so is the lower upper income class people as well leaving the 99.99% living on the 00.01%'s lands to do sharecropping for. You say that isn't the Progressive Utopia you wanted? Well just look at who has been bankrolling your Progressive Party for decades (and bankrolling those evil Progressive Republicans, aka GOP establishment), the ones you fawn over, it'll be them in charge so it's all good. Just follow along and maybe they will find some cushy government job for you to keep the masses under control with Progressive propaganda, like you have been doing for the past four decades in the schools and main stream media. Nirvana achieved, government and big business are all one!
 
Dammy, my solution is to roll back to Republican Eisenhower policies.

If big changes need to be made then the biggest programs, military, and source of funding, wealthy, should be hit hardest. Not the 75% of Americans that are worse off.

And no this isn't a progressive utopia. Reagan rolled most of that back and tripled the debt. Not only Republicans but Obama and Clinton kept us on this failure of trickle down economics. That's why we are here after 32 years.

For example you complain about gov jobs. You seem to not realize Bush created more than Clinton or Obama. IMO neither party has a way out. The current ilk of Republican likely candidates want to put speed on the death spiral.
 
Dammy, my solution is to roll back to Republican Eisenhower policies.

If big changes need to be made then the biggest programs, military, and source of funding, wealthy, should be hit hardest. Not the 75% of Americans that are worse off.

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As you can see, the DoD is down to 19% and that includes the VA and retirement funds for US military. Who has the biggest slices after the DoD? Why it's Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Guess what, those are ballooning larger and larger each year while revenues (like the payroll tax which was cut by Obama) are in decline. The Rich are already paying above their fair share (top 10% pay 71% of the budget or top 1% pays 36% of federal budget) while the bottom half are paying nothing in federal income taxes, how is that fair? Now if we took every single penny (100% confiscation) the "Rich" earned if they earned more then $100K, that still would not solve the deficit problem, we would still be bleeding $200B @ year and of course, the entire economy would collapse so we are back to even higher deficits as revenue plunges into the abyss. So raising taxes to fix this monster is not possible.

And no this isn't a progressive utopia. Reagan rolled most of that back and tripled the debt. Not only Republicans but Obama and Clinton kept us on this failure of trickle down economics. That's why we are here after 32 years.

Then why did Reagan's policies create 20 million jobs during his two terms but Obama has lost 2 million in his first term? Why did revenues nearly double under Reagan's policies but we got nothing out of Obama's? If you look at the worst years of Reagan's spending, it was the last two that had the Democrats in full control of Congress. I will remind you of the Speaker of the House's,Tip Oneill, famous quotes about all of Reagan's 8 budgets, "Dead on arrival."

For example you complain about gov jobs. You seem to not realize Bush created more than Clinton or Obama. IMO neither party has a way out. The current ilk of Republican likely candidates want to put speed on the death spiral.

Don't know of a single Keynesian among the current GOP candidates so I would say your accusation is false. The only thing we can do is cut, cut spending and cut taxes to minimize the disaster that is about to hit us like a Cat 5 hurricane. As for Bush, he's a part of the NWO. Bush was conservative in some issues, progressive in other issues and that use to drive the conservatives nuts as they were forced to back the President's policies since he was in their party.

As for the Keynesian failures, let me point out FDR, Nixon, Carter, and now Obama. Supply side that worked was JFK and Reagan.
 
As you can see, the DoD is down to 19% and that includes the VA and retirement funds for US military.
The military spending is more than DoD and VA. There's other programs like Energy Department expenditures, NASA, and the % of debt from past borrowing. Considering all military one needs to nearly double the $700 Million number. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
We spend about 5% of our GDP. Instead we could spend 3% of GDP and still outspend the next top 5 nations combined. Of which those 5 nations are our friends economically. China is the noteable economic friend who is unlikely to be a military friend.

Who has the biggest slices after the DoD? Why it's Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Guess what, those are ballooning larger and larger each year while revenues (like the payroll tax which was cut by Obama) are in decline.
SS is fairly easy - it's mostly paid for. And for 30 years other US Programs have borrowed from SS to cover their expenditures. Those other programs, like military, need to pay back their borrowing. The next step I'd do is a flat tax at a lower rate. One could keep the lower rate of SS in effect if we were to treat all money earned equally instead of charging zero to funds above 100K.

The Rich are already paying above their fair share (top 10% pay 71% of the budget or top 1% pays 36% of federal budget) while the bottom half are paying nothing in federal income taxes, how is that fair?
Tax was never intended to be everyone pays their 'fair share'. It covers needed expenses for the less fortunate that would have a difficult time surving without. Gov spending on unemployed does stimulate the economy compared to what no spending would. As for the rich they're paying a rate that's nearly the lowest in about a century. The 1% may pay 36% of the budget but they own nearly 42% of the wealth. They're getting a deal compared to others in the society.

So raising taxes to fix this monster is not possible.
I agree that taxes alone won't cover it all. We need to cut programs too. Actually doing both cuts of programs and tax increases is a quicker path out of the abyss.

Then why did Reagan's policies create 20 million jobs during his two terms but Obama has lost 2 million in his first term? Why did revenues nearly double under Reagan's policies but we got nothing out of Obama's? If you look at the worst years of Reagan's spending, it was the last two that had the Democrats in full control of Congress. I will remind you of the Speaker of the House's,Tip Oneill, famous quotes about all of Reagan's 8 budgets, "Dead on arrival."
The last 30 years has proven we can grow the economy but not float all boats. We've grown the rich and poor while shrinking the middle class.

And Reagan, like every President, owns the responsibility for the budgets in their term. Reagan worked closely with Congress to horse trade. He was willing to increase social spending if the Dems allowed him to increase Star Wars and the military budget. Reagan's hand failed to Veto the bad budget, he signed and accepted it. 'The Buck Stops Here' - should be engraved in the Presidential Desk as we in society define a period by a President. It's probably as unfair as defining a football win by a particular Quarterback. Both are team efforts. None the less the President does have the power to overturn the hundreds in the Congress on the Budget should they have the cahones to do so.

The only thing we can do is cut, cut spending and cut taxes to minimize the disaster that is about to hit us like a Cat 5 hurricane.
Cutting taxes is the wrong answer. Taxes are already low. Regan realized his program failures and raised taxes. Obama should expire the Bush cuts immediately, heck he should have done it day 1 in the office.

As for the Keynesian failures, let me point out FDR, Nixon, Carter, and now Obama. Supply side that worked was JFK and Reagan.
Clinton was actually the best president for the economy in a while. Obama is bad but still better than GWBush. I suggest you read http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterco...president-in-last-66-years-w-and-obama-worst/ along with the link on the top of Presidents and Prosperity. The top 5 worst Presidents economically only 1 was a Dem. http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2011/12/09/the-five-worst-presidents-for-the-economy-1w/
 
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