Trust Me: You Believe in Gun Control

robert l. bentham

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If you ask the typical hyper-political gun owner (and I have … at Thanksgiving dinner), why it’s important to own a gun, they’ll bark about the Constitution. Yes, the Second Amendment: “The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed!”
This of course is the slogan the National Rifle Association adopted in the 1970’s. It was then that owning a gun became an absolute right endowed by God and the Constitution. A blessing passed down by our forefathers to obliterate game and protect our property. The NRA was founded in 1870 and for its first hundred years it was forgun control and didn’t mention the Second Amendment as their cause.
Adam Winkler points out in his delicious book, “Gun Fight,” what we call the “wild west” had some of the strictest gun control laws we’ve seen as a nation. The shoot out at the OK Corral took place, after all, because Wyatt Earp was trying to disarm the outlaw Cowboys in accordance with a Tombstone ordinance. The KKK was among other things, a gun control organization. They were trying to keep guns out of the hands of newly freed slaves … but still gun control.
The part of the Second Amendment omitted from the NRA’s slogan is: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…” Yes, well regulated—it’s in the Constitution!
Now, to some, guns are as sacred as scripture. If you ask, again, this typical hyper-political gun owner why they need to stockpile assault rifles, you will get an answer much like Pat Flynn’s, a recent candidate for a Senate seat in Nebraska. “Really, we have our guns to protect ourselves against the government, number one,” Flynn said in adebate right before the primary. “Hunting’s number two. But protecting us against our government is number one.” Remember Flynn was trying to land a job in the government (he didn’t win his party’s nomination, by the way).
The idea is that we have to be just as armed as our government in order to be safer or have more liberty (or something). The U.S. government has unmanned drones armed with supersonic laser-guided anti-armor Hellfire missiles, “bunker busters,” and nuclear weapons. Are far-right politicians saying we need civilians to have shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles “for protection?” Of course they’re not. They actually do want limits on ownership.
And if you ask the most vehement gun rights advocate why Everyman Gun Owner shouldn’t have nuclear weapons, I’d bet you’d get the same answer as to why we don’t want every country to have the capability: “Because they could get into the wrong hands.”
So weapons-grade plutonium should be limited. But the ever-handy semi-auto Glock pistol with a 30-round high-capacity magazine is an absolute right?
A recent gun buyback drive in Los Angeles resulted in someone turning in a rocket launcher. Comforting.
So we’re not actually talking about limited vs. unlimited. We are talking about degrees of weapon ownership.
Guns fall into the wrong hands all the time. More guns and fewer requirements for ownership doesn’t curb this. George Zimmerman was the wrong hands. Zimmerman, a Florida man now infamous for shooting an unarmed black teenager at close range after a 911 operator told him not to engage the alleged suspect and wait for police to arrive, is now being defended by said hyper-political gun owners. There’s no reason a Neighborhood Watch captain should be patrolling his block with a criminal record and a pistol. Zimmerman was a catastrophe realized. Even in the wake of new evidence about this case, the fact remains if Zimmerman didn’t have a gun, 16-year-old Trayvon Martin would be alive.
The United States is number one in the world in civilian gun ownership. And since we’re not last in gun violence (we’re the 14th highest in deaths—way higher in just injuries) it’s safe to assume that increasing the number of guns doesn’t decrease the number of gun deaths. Just like cutting taxes doesn’t increase revenue—making gun ownership unlimited doesn’t make us safer. It’s a lie. A fairy tale of the gun lobby. Completely unsupported by data or logic. A falsehood.
So unless you think all Americans should get Daisy Cutters this Christmas—you believe in regulations as to who gets a weapon, what kind and where they can have it.
Gun control laws are not tyranny—as the family of Trayvon Martin can testify to—a de-regulated militia is.
http://www.tinadupuy.com/column/trust-me-you-believe-in-gun-control/
 
i'm actually kind of surprised no media people are talking about a romney/ paul (the younger) ticket... itd probably put the republicans over the top...
 
Stolen from the internet, but still rings true.

"If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed. "
 
Sure. Show me yours, and I'll show you mine.
 
Stolen from the internet, but still rings true.

"If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed. "

As does:
"If a Democrat doesn't like drugs/homosexuality/birth control/etc, she doesn't indulge.
If a Republican doesn't like drugs/homosexuality/birth control/etc, she wants all drugs/homosexuality/birth control/etc. outlawed."
 
As does:
"If a Democrat doesn't like drugs/homosexuality/birth control/etc, she doesn't indulge.
If a Republican doesn't like drugs/homosexuality/birth control/etc, she wants all drugs/homosexuality/birth control/etc. outlawed."

What GOP wants to out law birth control?
 
Stolen from the internet, but still rings true.

"If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed. "


As Robert already noted, this is a formulation of the liberal viewpoint towards what's called victimless or morality crime wherein if a person does not want to partake of something then he simply does not partake but he does not prevent others from partaking. This is in opposition to those who would force their morality on others such as with alcohol prohibition, the prohibition of other drugs, the prohibition on consensual sodomy or same sex relationships.

However, the formulation might make some sense to those who don't understand things in depth, but it is actually a joke - while using drugs typically only effects the drug user and therefore it is his own choice to use and he bears the consequence, the consequences of gun ownership often impact other people. Your right to own a gun means that you now have a gun which you can point at me - you gain coercive power and my life is endangered. If you walk into a gas station with a joint and threaten to smoke pot at the teller unless he hands over the money from the till then there is little chance that he will comply. If you own a gun then you have a better chance of making off with the cash.

While most of the things that conservatives want to stop other people doing are things that other people do for their own pleasure, gun ownership is about power. In a way it fits in with the conservative's desire to control what other people do.

The joke as Fade posts it has been going around by email since at least October of 2009; that seems to be the earliest I can find it or a variation with a time stamp. It appears to have become very popular in the earlier part of this year as "The Fence Test" or which side of the fence are you on. You can often find earlier examples where Republican and Democrat are replaced with conservative and liberal.

One of the most hysterical variations I found was on http://failureofleadership.com/ where we see this phrase rendered as:
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he/she doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he/she wants all guns outlawed.
 
Sorry RIB, your gun control thread has now been hijacked. Should have kept my mouth shut.
 
Stolen from the internet, but still rings true.

"If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed. "
I like guns, but still think they should be outlawed.
 
Sure. Show me yours, and I'll show you mine.

heh heh... ur half a comment from the lizard lounge.... lol... ill be back to address this in a bit im out driving down world tomato prices... heh heh... i planted 253 plants today...
 
Sorry RIB, your gun control thread has now been hijacked. Should have kept my mouth shut.

wasn't a gun control thread actually... its more about reasoning... i used to hunt... i know what kind of rifles you use... i know what weapons are required for fur harvesting... i been in the service too... those things are not the same... guns have issues as varied as the owners... that ass clown zimmerman was getting free pass after free pass because of retired judge daddy and truthfully was such a violent, arrogant, selfindulgent prick he should have been culled from the herd only "sooner"... so when i point this out... you know... that dimwitted violent pricks are getting their hands on guns... you choose to run with the mantra of "MORE GUNS FOR FUCKTARDS", instead of; u know looks like something got screwed up there we should fix shit like that before all the fucktards get guns... i dunno... u at the lake?
 
I take a somewhat different view on guns and or weapons of any type.

Having grown up around them, having one of my own at about 10 or 11 YO and having built some of my own from scratch, I know how easily they can be had. Anyone that truly wants one can go to a hardware store and buy stuff right off the shelf and have it assembled in less than a day. Ammo is only a little bit harder to make, but not much.

Sure it will be crude, but it will do as much damage as most other stuff in your arsenal.
Having said that, I know that if I can do it, so could anyone else that wants one. And there's the rub. You could outlaw and confiscate every gun in the world today, and by next week there would be thousands of new ones. The folks that think the world would be a safer place if they were outlawed are only fooling themselves.

Yes, I'm at the lake and we get picked on a lot by the meth heads because a lot of folks on my end of the lake are only weekenders. Open season on their stuff during the week and during the winter. Full timers mostly have dogs and they all have guns. Around here, when you need a cop, they are only 45 minutes away, so I have a beast and a piece.
Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.
 
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