Two LA High School Students Shot

[ltstanfo]

High School student brings handgun to class.

I'm glad to hear that both victims appear to be ok considering what could have happened. In the interests of giving Glaucus (and possibly others) something more to get me involved in discussion, I would like to point out that Los Angeles has some of the most restrictive hangun laws in the nation. I will be most curious to learn:

1. Where the student obtained the firearm (parents / relative / etc...).
2. Was the firearm locked in a safe as California law requires? If so (and presuming the kid had the combination), will the registered owner (as required by CA law) be liable?
3. Does the kid have any history with crime?

I am not attempting to ruffle anyone's feathers but this incident might potentially demonstrate that even with strict gun laws (similar to those in NYC and Chicago) gun crimes will still occur. I really want to know why the kid had the firearm in the first place! I doubt he was of legal age (to own) so I will follow this case with great interest.

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

I'm glad to hear that both victims appear to be ok considering what could have happened.

OK? The 15 year old girl suffered significant brain injury, was unconscious upon arrival at the hospital and doctors will be watching out for signs that she moves her arms and legs... critical condition, major blood clot on the brain... I think "ok" might not be the best description.

As for the dumbass with the bag full of guns, sounds like someone may be on suicide watch tonight. Doubtless there will also be those who hope that the watch goes for a long coffee.

All round it's pretty tragic and next you'll probably have a "Homeland Security" sales droid come round selling naked scanners to schools. When can we all just get the foreplay done with and be fitted with our "discipline collars"?

 

[Robert]

@Lee:

this incident might potentially demonstrate that even with strict gun laws (similar to those in NYC and Chicago) gun crimes will still occur.

At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, as long as guns are still manufactured and sold *anywhere*, gun crimes will still occur just about everywhere else.

Even if they were no longer manufactured for sale, military weapons would still find their way into the hands of those who want them bad enough.

Having said all that, I still believe they should be controlled as the easier it is to get your hands on them, the more likely something like this will occur. But we've been over this countless times already, viz the point that you and every other US citizen should have the constitutional right to bear your own nuclear arms. ;-)

 

[ltstanfo]

I'm glad to hear that both victims appear to be ok considering what could have happened.

OK? The 15 year old girl suffered significant brain injury, was unconscious upon arrival at the hospital and doctors will be watching out for signs that she moves her arms and legs... critical condition, major blood clot on the brain... I think "ok" might not be the best description.

As for the dumbass with the bag full of guns, sounds like someone may be on suicide watch tonight. Doubtless there will also be those who hope that the watch goes for a long coffee.

All round it's pretty tragic and next you'll probably have a "Homeland Security" sales droid come round selling naked scanners to schools. When can we all just get the foreplay done with and be fitted with our "discipline collars"?

You are correct sir... not the best choice of words on my part. Allow me to clarify...

Considering how bad it could have been (2 people killed), I am glad that both survived the incident. It goes without saying that I hope that the girl recovers completely.

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[ltstanfo]

@Lee:

this incident might potentially demonstrate that even with strict gun laws (similar to those in NYC and Chicago) gun crimes will still occur.

At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, as long as guns are still manufactured and sold *anywhere*, gun crimes will still occur just about everywhere else.

Even if they were no longer manufactured for sale, military weapons would still find their way into the hands of those who want them bad enough.

Having said all that, I still believe they should be controlled as the easier it is to get your hands on them, the more likely something like this will occur. But we've been over this countless times already, viz the point that you and every other US citizen should have the constitutional right to bear your own nuclear arms. ;-)

Well spoken Robert and to a point I agree with you (especially on the nuclear arms). :mrgreen:

In all seriousness, since I am not that familiar with AZ gun laws, I do have to wonder how someone with prior police encounters as well as known concerns by other private citizens could result in this deranged individual so easily legally acquiring his pistol. It may be a case similar to the Virginia Tech incident where that tragedy identified the break in that state's law (mental disease database not hooked into standard background check). I am aware that in several states the local police database does not necessarily link in with the FBI database which is used in the instant background check required at the time of purchase. The states in question regard the databases as a matter of privacy concern. I can see both sides of the argument on that topic but given the outcome of the AZ shooting that could / should have been prevented I do wonder what their current laws / limits are. Time to do some internet research.

Regards,
Ltstanfo