Van runs over 10 in Toronto

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Van strikes pedestrians in Toronto, killing 10 and injuring 15
Self driving?

"it unlikely terrorism was the motive"

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Van was white
 
Yonge Street, yikes! I've walked the downtown section of that road many times.

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The officer who arrested Mr Minassian was praised for not opening fire during a standoff with the suspect, who claimed to be armed and pointed an object at the officer.

Video broadcast on CBC News showed the suspect shouting "kill me", while the officer instructs him to get down.

When he said he had a gun, the officer said: "I don't care. Get down." He was then arrested without any shots being fired.

Commendable restraint despite the attempted death-by-cop. I have a feeling this part would have played out differently further South.

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Mr Minassian had previously attended a school for students with special needs in north Toronto, former classmates said.

He would be seen walking around Thornlea Secondary School with his head down and hands clasped tightly together making meowing noises, Shereen Chami told Reuters.

But she said Mr Minassian had not been violent. "He wasn't a social person, but from what I remember he was absolutely harmless," she told Reuters.
 
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Shortly before a rented van ploughed into a crowd of pedestrians in Toronto, killing 10 and wounding 14 others, a short and cryptic message was posted on the Facebook account of Alek Minassian, the man accused of carrying out the attack.

The post referred to another mass killer – Elliot Rodger, who shot dead six people and wounded 13 others in Isla Vista, California, in 2014 – and said that the “incel rebellion has already begun. We will overthrow all the Chads and the Stacys”.

Minassian’s Facebook account has since been deleted and police have yet to suggest a motive for the attack, but the post appeared to connect the alleged killer with the so-called “incel” movement, which has made collective sexual frustration the basis for a deeply misogynistic online subculture.
 
Yes folks, it's misogynistic when women don't like you and you get upset about it.

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I haven't heard of "incel" but I've heard of Chads and Staceys. They're the good looking lads and lasses that get all the action - but more women get to be Staceys than men get to be Chads. When I first heard some guys referred to as Chads I thought they were saying Chavs.

As to incel? Is that "involuntary celebets"? I'll have to go look it up.
 
As to incel? Is that "involuntary celebets"? I'll have to go look it up.

Yeah. That's exactly what it is. Poor bastards.
I think a permanent drought is bad enough (and sexual frustration is the main cause of male on female violence in mammals with choosy females) but the social lie we tell makes it worse. We tell people that looks don't matter and there is someone for everyone and if you just have "confidence" or "personality" you can "get some" and it's cruel really. The Elliot Rogers thing, to my mind, comes from finally seeing the lie of it all, or maybe just reacting to the frustration of believing the lie and having nothing happen. When women say they want gentlemen they are either not being truthful or they don't understand themselves. The fact is that if you are high on the looks scale more women will think you are a gentleman even if you're an asshole. If we just told these guys, look, you have no chance playing the game, just get a hooker and get on with your life - I think they would be better able to cope.
I've had my share of droughts and unrequiteds and they are not fun but I couldn't imagine my life if that was ALL I had ever known - and the Chads and Staceys can all shake their heads and wonder why the incels don't eat cake if they can't get bread and everyone else will agree with them because they don't want other people to think of them as losers.

I have at least one person in my life who killed themselves and I suspect that frustration was a significant part of what lead them there - but they didn't take anyone else with them, so I suppose that we can be grateful that, when the world hurt them, they only hurt themselves instead of trying to hurt the world back before they went. This was clearly the rampage part of a murder/suicide but the suicide part failed. He sounds like he was never a well person, deep mental problems (just not capable of navigating society) but judging by his jaw he was full of testosterone. I can only see these getting worse until we maybe stop having this contrafactual anti-evolutionary mythologies about what men and women are and how they interact and what they need.
 
The fact is that if you are high on the looks scale more women will think you are a gentleman even if you're an asshole. If we just told these guys, look, you have no chance playing the game, just get a hooker and get on with your life - I think they would be better able to cope.

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The fact is that if you are high on the looks scale more women will think you are a gentleman even if you're an asshole.

There is often another side to that; some women (including more than one of my friends) are drawn to arseholes partly because they are arseholes, with physical appearance not so high on the priority list.

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Ninja'd. :cool:
At least someone has taken a stab at answering why.
 
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There is often another side to that; some women (including more than one of my friends) are drawn to arseholes partly because they are arseholes, with physical appearance not so high on the priority list.
Arseholery is often a dominance trait - only dominant people are able to get away with it. If you are not far up the hierarchy you can't do it and get away with it. Someone higher up will smack you down. But the better looking a man is the less likely his arseholery is liable to be labeled arseholery. If he's gorgeous he's not an arsehole, he's a bad boy, or a rebel, misunderstood.
For a female, hooking up with a dominant male is better for her offspring's genetics and better for acquiring resources to raise those offspring. If you compare us to other animals through the lens of biology and evolution we aren't really that mysterious. However, there is a strong philosophical resistance to seeing humans as animals in both sacred and secular religions.
I have heard the objection (not in these words but this is the gist of what I have heard in discussions) that if we look at human behaviour as just animal behaviour then we are excusing peoples' (usually mens', actually) bad behaviour. This is nonsense as far as I'm concerned. I think it's better to see what you are working with and see what you can do with it rather than trying to make rules based on what is best for the winners (who generally have very little understanding about what it is like for everyone else). The devine right of kings was an explanatory framework for ordering society that seemed to work for centuries. I prefer what we have now, however imperfect. Thermodynamics may be offensive and upsetting to the perpetual motion and free energy people, but we've been able to build practical heat engines and refrigeration systems and other practical novelties by embracing it's basic reality. We could do better by acknowledging basic biology and evolution. It's not just the fundy Xtians who seem to reject that science.
 
Arseholery is often a dominance trait - only dominant people are able to get away with it. If you are not far up the hierarchy you can't do it and get away with it. Someone higher up will smack you down. But the better looking a man is the less likely his arseholery is liable to be labeled arseholery. If he's gorgeous he's not an arsehole, he's a bad boy, or a rebel, misunderstood.

Agreed on all of that but my point, which I suppose is more an extension of yours than a contradiction, is that I know women who are drawn to men that they know are arseholes - as opposed to misunderstood/rebel/bad boy, etc.
Of course, they always see something good in them (or claim to) but they also know what they are as they happily confess as much. One of my friends has been doing this repeatedly for over 20 years. Unsurprisingly, she's single about 50% of the time and her relationships are usually short, tempestuous affairs.
 
Of course, they always see something good in them (or claim to) but they also know what they are as they happily confess as much. One of my friends has been doing this repeatedly for over 20 years. Unsurprisingly, she's single about 50% of the time and her relationships are usually short, tempestuous affairs.
Women are ... complicated.
 
Arseholery is often a dominance trait - only dominant people are able to get away with it. If you are not far up the hierarchy you can't do it and get away with it. Someone higher up will smack you down. But the better looking a man is the less likely his arseholery is liable to be labeled arseholery. If he's gorgeous he's not an arsehole, he's a bad boy, or a rebel, misunderstood.
For a female, hooking up with a dominant male is better for her offspring's genetics and better for acquiring resources to raise those offspring. If you compare us to other animals through the lens of biology and evolution we aren't really that mysterious. However, there is a strong philosophical resistance to seeing humans as animals in both sacred and secular religions.
I have heard the objection (not in these words but this is the gist of what I have heard in discussions) that if we look at human behaviour as just animal behaviour then we are excusing peoples' (usually mens', actually) bad behaviour. This is nonsense as far as I'm concerned. I think it's better to see what you are working with and see what you can do with it rather than trying to make rules based on what is best for the winners (who generally have very little understanding about what it is like for everyone else). The devine right of kings was an explanatory framework for ordering society that seemed to work for centuries. I prefer what we have now, however imperfect. Thermodynamics may be offensive and upsetting to the perpetual motion and free energy people, but we've been able to build practical heat engines and refrigeration systems and other practical novelties by embracing it's basic reality. We could do better by acknowledging basic biology and evolution. It's not just the fundy Xtians who seem to reject that science.

This is a complicated subject, but I generally agree with your assessment to a point. Female's attraction to a "bad boy" is usually a toxic trait, at least in young females. They will brush off guys who treat them well for ones who treat them like crap. I don't think it is always due to "daddy issues", but it probably often does. Too many gals gravitate not just to guys who are assholes, but guys who will actually beat them. They keep going to complete scum.
 
Kinda heavy duty, but this vid goes into depth about the psychology and circumstance that creates Incels.

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