Wikileaks is under attack

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That is not unusual of itself since they publish a lot of material that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. However, there seems to be a stepping up of intimidation since Wikileaks has a) started negotiations with Iceland to get new media freedom laws passed and b) they leaked video of US strikes on civilians. Below I cut and paste complete with incorrect spaces:

SOMETHING IS ROTTEN IN THE STATE OF ICELAND

Over the last few years, WikiLeaks has been subject to a number of actionsaround the world by public and private security organizations. They rangefrom the appalling assassination of two related human rights lawyers in Nairobilast March and an armed attack on my compound in 2007, to, in the West,an ambush by an apparent British intelligence agent in a Luxembourg carpark, which merely ended with "we think it would be in your interest to.."

Developing world violence aside, we've become used to the level ofsecurity service interest in us and have established procedures to dealwith that interest.

But the escalation of surveillance activities over the last month,most of which appears to be the result of U.S. "interests", althoughsome may be unrelated, deserves comment. These actions include manyattempts at covert following, hidden photography and the detention & questioning of a WikiLeaks' volunteer in Iceland on Monday night.

WikiLeaks' staff have been in Iceland to advise Icelandic parliamentarianson the a package of laws, the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative, designedto protect investigative journalists and internet services from spyingand censorship.

Possible triggers for the surveillance actions are (1) our release of aclassified US intelligence report on how to fatally marginalize WikiLeaks(expose our sources, destroy our reputation for integrity, hack us),(2) our release of a classified cable from the U.S. embassy in Reykjavikreporting on contact between the U.S. and the U.K. over billions of eurosin claimed loan guarantees and, most significantly, (3) our ongoing workon a classified film revealing civilian casualties occurring under thecommand of the U.S, general, David Petraeus. U.S. sources told Icelandicstate media's deputy head of news, that the U.S. State Department wasaggressively investigating the leak from the U.S. Embassy in Reykjavik. Iwas seen at a private U.S Embassy party at the Ambassador's house,late last year.

Then on Thursday March 18, 2010, I was followed on the 2.15 PMflight out of Reykjavik to Copenhagen--on the way to speak at theSKUP investigative journalism conference in Norway. According toairline records, two individuals, brandishing diplomatic credentialsand registered under the name of "US State Department", collectedboarding passes for the same flight within three minutes of eachother. They are not recorded as having checked in any luggage

Iceland doesn't have a separate security service. It folds itsintelligence function into its police forces, leading to an uneasyoverlap of policing and intelligence functions and values.

On Monday 22, March, at approximately 8.30pm, a WikiLeaks volunteerwas detained by Icelandic police for approximately 21 hours after policeattended the volunteer's fathers place of work on an unrelated matter. Thevolunteer was inexplicably detained over night. The next day, duringthe course of interrogation, the volunteer was shown covert photosof WikiLeaks' editor Julian Assange outside a Reykjavik restaurant,the back room of was used last week to hold a production meeting on aclassified U.S. military video exposing civilian kills by U.S. pilots.Specific references were made to the subject of video and "important"Icelandic figures. No charges were filed. The names of well knownjournalists involved in the production were referred to in the policequestions.

Who are the Icelandic security services loyal to? The new governmentof April 2009, or the old pro-Iraq war government of the Independenceparty, or perhaps their connections with another country entirely?Often when a bold new government arises, bureaucratic institutionsremain loyal to the old regime and it can take time to change theguard. Former regime loyalists must be discovered, dissuaded andremoved. But for security services, the first step, discovery, isawry. Congenitally scared of the light, such services hide theiractivities; if it is not known what they are doing, then it issurely impossible to know who they are doing it for.

We have written to both U.S. and Icelandic authorities to demandan explanation.
 
You know Fluffy, maybe "they" really are after you. Don't look back, something might be gaining on you!
 
Scary stuff. All seems to trail back to the US "interests".
 
Wikileaks has released the video.

Decrypted military video.

This is the video that Reuters tried to get the military to release after the US killed two of their employees. It has been leaked to wikileaks and decrypted, and now released to the public.
 
Slate actually posted a link to this as well but when I tried it earlier the site was down. I figured "they" forced the site down, but maybe it was just a bandwidth issue as it seems to be up and running. Reuters seems to be vindicated here. Good for them.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Wikileaks has released the video.

Decrypted military video.

This is the video that Reuters tried to get the military to release after the US killed two of their employees. It has been leaked to wikileaks and decrypted, and now released to the public.


Rueters stringers win Darwin Award!

Two Reuters employees made the mistake of embedding with a group of Muqtada al Sadr's Medhi Army militia, shown with folding stock AK-pattern assault rifles and an RPG-7 antitank rocket in the video. This makes them enemy combatants. Reuters has a long history of its local stringers embedding themselves with terrorist forces.
 
metalman said:
Two Reuters employees made the mistake of embedding with a group of Muqtada al Sadr's Medhi Army militia, shown with folding stock AK-pattern assault rifles and an RPG-7 antitank rocket in the video. This makes them enemy combatants. Reuters has a long history of its local stringers embedding themselves with terrorist forces.
Although it is risky to embed yourself with any combat unit (US or Iraqi), that does not make them combatants.
 
metalman said:
Two Reuters employees made the mistake of embedding with a group of Muqtada al Sadr's Medhi Army militia, ...

Embedding or just having security? You're making some assumptions and so were the kids in the chopper. However, the military can at least make a case for the initial attack that they were just following their own rules of engagement.

However, if you or I were following those rules of engagement when our gangs were fighting each other we would clearly be committing criminal acts. The attacks may be within their rules of engagement but they are outside of human rules of morality.

The second attack, though, looks like murder plain and simple. There was a clearly wounded unarmed man and being picked up by unarmed men. This engagement was outside of even the military rules at the time.
 
Glaucus said:
Although it is risky to embed yourself with any combat unit (US or Iraqi), that does not make them combatants.


Well, it does if you embed with the defenders instead of the aggressors. The defenders generally fight because they have to. Invaders fight because they're pretty sure they'll win. That equation should tell you who it's safer to hang out with. :)
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
metalman said:
Two Reuters employees made the mistake of embedding with a group of Muqtada al Sadr's Medhi Army militia, ...

The second attack, though, looks like murder plain and simple. There was a clearly wounded unarmed man and being picked up by unarmed men. This engagement was outside of even the military rules at the time.

Terrorists bring their own cameras & video recorders along on their raids, to record propaganda videos.

the video shows that the second vehicle in question bore no markings of a rescue vehicle, and the men who ran out of the van wore no markings.

War is not "law enforcement", the US forces have no responsibility to identify each member of a group and determine their mens rea. Legitimate rescue operations would have included markings on the vehicle and uniforms to let hostile forces know to hold fire, and in the absence of that, the second group becomes a legitimate target as well.
 
metalman said:
Terrorists bring their own cameras & video recorders along on their raids, to record propaganda videos.

the video shows that the second vehicle in question bore no markings of a rescue vehicle, and the men who ran out of the van wore no markings.

War is not "law enforcement", the US forces have no responsibility to identify each member of a group and determine their mens rea. Legitimate rescue operations would have included markings on the vehicle and uniforms to let hostile forces know to hold fire, and in the absence of that, the second group becomes a legitimate target as well.
Personally, I don't buy this. Americans shoot at the enemy from hovering helicopters because they're too scared to put troops into a dangerous situation. However, that's exactly what's needed because you should always know who you kill. It's one thing to use gunships to support combat troops, it's quite another to have them scrounge around on their own looking for targets. Great as modern US optics are, they can't tell if the guy is friendly or foe, or even if that thing strapped to his back is a weapon or a camera. And remember, Americans are there to liberate the Iraqis, you can't shoot first and ask questions later. Just like you wouldn't if those were US citizens down there. If you listen to the audio you'll note that gunships were cleared to fire only after it was determined that no friendly forces were in the area. But who checked to see if there were civilians in the area? No one because Americans just don't care. That in a nutshell is what's wrong with how the US conducts it's war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
metalman said:
War is not "law enforcement", the US forces have no responsibility to identify each member of a group and determine their mens rea.
That's because war (and aggressive war such as the US invasion of Iraq) is itself unlawful. This war crime arose from the ultimate war crime as was elucidated in Nuremberg. The crime of war of aggression precipitates all the other crimes.
Legitimate rescue operations would have included markings on the vehicle and uniforms to let hostile forces know to hold fire, and in the absence of that, the second group becomes a legitimate target as well.
Legitimate rescue attempts are characterized by the intent of those involved i.e. they are attempting to rescue someone. If a civilian comes across an injured person and they have transportation to take a critically injured person to hospital and they attempt to do so then they are performing a legitimate rescue. If you stopped to help someone, do you wear proper markings? Does your vehicle have proper markings? If the China had invaded the US because the US wouldn't give up its weapons of mass destruction and they happened to shoot up your van while you were trying to pick up an injured American would you be cutting them this much slack even if they were obeying their own rules of engagement to the letter?

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Addendum:

Let's not forget that the American forces have also shot up ambulances. Markings don't help at all.
 
@metalman

It's not the first time these airborne murder clowns have been so eager to shoot they've "seen" things that weren't there.

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Metalman as apologist for US, state sponsored murder?
Whodathunkit?
 
The kids survived.
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Callous, murdering bastards.
 
the complete version

The very first thing Crazyhorse spots entering the area is a dark van dropping off insurgents, 15 minutes later the dark van shows back up.

7:18 - Bushmaster; Crazyhorse. We have individuals going to the scene, looks like possibly, uh picking up bodies ... and weapons.


Medics render aid, not collect weapons
 
metalman said:
Medics render aid, not collect weapons

The attacks continue, I see.

These guys are trained to see everything as a weapon. The weapons weren't there. The guys that came to pick up the injured man did not come to pick up weapons. They picked up an injured man who did not have a weapon (despite the gunners urgent wish that he should find one and pick it up).

Interestingly the sudden appearance of more footage seems to suggest that there were more leaks if wikileaks didn't release this. Probably these would be deliberate pentagon leaks to try to defend their guys however if that is the case it a) fails and b) confirms the footage as genuine (probably a lost cause to keep denying it anyway) and c) would be strange since the pentagon claims that it has "lost" the original footage.


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edit:

On a second look it seems that this is not new footage. The description states that it contains footage not seen in the wikileaks 17 minute video BUT wikileaks had already released the 38 minute version by the date this was version was posted to liveleaks. In fact - the wikileaks 38 minute version was posted the same day as the 17 minute version.

I'll have to rewatch the long version to see if there's anything new here but this video is even more chopped up than the 17 minute one.

There IS a 30 minute missing section in what wikileaks released but they say that they never got had that video and the pentagon hasn't come forth with the missing minutes either. I'm sure that if it was exemplary they could come forward with it but it likely doesn't add anything and they'd rather just leave it alone and let it go away.

Besides, the Afghan footage should be coming out any day now.
 
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