Will Caesar finish the Republic?

[FluffyMcDeath]

Are these "End Times" at least as far as this US experiment is concerned? 9/11 gave the neo-cons huge control over the US government. It seems that the successor to the neo-con tradition (the new neo-con sock puppet) isn't going to make it through the election even with voter purges and machine fiddling, and even if they do it may be so egregious that people cannot be mollified.

Now the economy is collapsing. An emergency Fed rate cut today did nothing. 1.5%, they've got almost nowhere left to go, and the markets still fell of a cliff.

There is now an army brigade in the US that is tasked with "crowd control" or quashing insurrections. The police have been practicing mass arrests and mass imprisonment at the party conventions. Homeland security has been buzzing around cities in their black helicopters frightening people as they "prepare for possible terrorist threats", which seem more likely by the day to mean "disgruntled citizens".

The legal framework has been set up that Bush can declare an emergency and take control of all the soldiers in the US and have them arrest without charge or the right to know why they were arrested anyone he says is an enemy combatant.

All the parts are in place. Most of the parts have been tested, in courts and operationally.

Rep. Brad Sherman of California said to Congress before the passage of the bailout bill:

"The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. … Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no."

That last bit again:

and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no.

A credible threat? If you live in the US it is your good fortune to be able to find out first hand. Do you feel lucky?

 

[the_leander]

And the equally scary part, from my perspective, is that the New Labour movement has all but duplicated the efforts of the Neo Con movement in building a robust and effective aparatus that could, at the flick of a switch, do exactly the same.

All it needs is someone at the top who wants to keep power beyond what they should and it's all over for the democratic society I was born into and that has been in operation for hundreds of years.

 

[ltstanfo]

Are these "End Times" at least as far as this US experiment is concerned? 9/11 gave the neo-cons huge control over the US government. It seems that the successor to the neo-con tradition (the new neo-con sock puppet) isn't going to make it through the election even with voter purges and machine fiddling, and even if they do it may be so egregious that people cannot be mollified.

Now the economy is collapsing. An emergency Fed rate cut today did nothing. 1.5%, they've got almost nowhere left to go, and the markets still fell of a cliff.

There is now an army brigade in the US that is tasked with "crowd control" or quashing insurrections. The police have been practicing mass arrests and mass imprisonment at the party conventions. Homeland security has been buzzing around cities in their black helicopters frightening people as they "prepare for possible terrorist threats", which seem more likely by the day to mean "disgruntled citizens".

The legal framework has been set up that Bush can declare an emergency and take control of all the soldiers in the US and have them arrest without charge or the right to know why they were arrested anyone he says is an enemy combatant.

All the parts are in place. Most of the parts have been tested, in courts and operationally.

Rep. Brad Sherman of California said to Congress before the passage of the bailout bill:

"The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. … Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no."

That last bit again:

and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no.

A credible threat? If you live in the US it is your good fortune to be able to find out first hand. Do you feel lucky?

So... what.... you want to be Nero?

I rarely say this but.... what an utter load of crap! :roll:

I know that you and I often disagree politically Fluffy but even for you this goes well into the tin hat area. I think some of your sources may have done a little too much LDS as Berkley. :wink:

Ltstanfo

 

[Glaucus]

I was initially gonna throw some skepticism towards Fluffy as well, but then thought about how history is full of such stories. It's when you think it could never happen here when it actually happens here. No matter how silly the conspiracy theory might be, it's probably always best to be on guard against it.

- Mike

 

[ltstanfo]

I was initially gonna throw some skepticism towards Fluffy as well, but then thought about how history is full of such stories. It's when you think it could never happen here when it actually happens here. No matter how silly the conspiracy theory might be, it's probably always best to be on guard against it.

- Mike

Well put Mike. As you say, it is best to be on guard against it but my take on Fluffy's latest post is that it is more than a prediction.. it appears to borderline on "will happen" (soon), which is why I responded the way that I did.

Can such a thing never happen in the US? I cannot answer that because I cannot look that far into the future (I'm talking decades). I do however strongly believe that even with the current set of circumstances (economy, pending elections, etc...) such "predictions" are way off base.

Thanks for your post.

Regards,
Ltstano

 

[Speelgoedmannetje]

and even if they do it may be so egregious that people cannot be mollified.

Oh mickey.... what is egregious....

 

[the_leander]

I was initially gonna throw some skepticism towards Fluffy as well, but then thought about how history is full of such stories. It's when you think it could never happen here when it actually happens here. No matter how silly the conspiracy theory might be, it's probably always best to be on guard against it.

- Mike

Well put Mike. As you say, it is best to be on guard against it but my take on Fluffy's latest post is that it is more than a prediction.. it appears to borderline on "will happen" (soon), which is why I responded the way that I did.

If you give politicians power, they will abuse it. If you give them enough power to effectively short out the democratic process, for whatever reason, sooner or later, someone probably will.

Look at every law that has been put in place in the name of "terrorism", I'll bet you could find examples of each and every one of them being individually abused.

So why is it such a stretch to think that at some point in the future, someone who has the ability to join the dots couldn't use all of these "emergency" powers to do things other then their intended purpose and in so doing, become a dictator for all intents and purposes.

Whilst those powers are available, it is a very real possibility.

Can such a thing never happen in the US? I cannot answer that because I cannot look that far into the future (I'm talking decades). I do however strongly believe that even with the current set of circumstances (economy, pending elections, etc...) such "predictions" are way off base.

Lets hope you're right, for all our sakes.

 

[redrumloa]

While I still think Fluffy's assessment is a bit far fetched, I do think that we are losing personal freedoms in a "slow boiled frog" kind of way :-/

 

[faethor]

While I still think Fluffy's assessment is a bit far fetched, I do think that we are losing personal freedoms in a "slow boiled frog" kind of way :-/

Exactly.

Look to the economic problems prior to WWII. Hitler and Muslini took one course of actions to rebuild and stablize their nation. Both internally on their own people and externally to their neighbors. FDR took another route. I too fear we've moved closer to the fascist agenda/mentality this time.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Watch out for the terror nuns.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

While I still think Fluffy's assessment is a bit far fetched, I do think that we are losing personal freedoms in a "slow boiled frog" kind of way :-/

You still have a lot of your freedoms, you just don't have a "right" to them anymore and that is the point. You won't feel this or notice this until the moment that someone takes that freedom away. You might then yell "I know my rights" but you will be behind the times: those rights aren't there.

Do you have the right to protest? That depends on what you are protesting and where you are standing.

Do you have the right to peaceful and free association? Maybe, unless you happen to belong to the wrong type of group in which case your associations may be having quiet and unseen repercussions that could end up with you going to a secret jail or a military tribunal or simply have trouble getting on a plane or crossing the border.

The UK is a boiled frog. The US is a boiled frog. Canada is getting warmer too. You just might not notice that you're cooked because you haven't tried jumping yet.

Things change but slowly because if they changed fast there'd be riots in the street. Then, one day, it changes enough and there are riots in the street but all the machinery is in place to put the riots down. Or maybe, in the interest of peace, the rioters just disappear before they get to make any trouble.

When Bush stole the 2000 elections most of us just thought it was a plain old stolen election. Not too uncommon. They're often fought dirty but this one was extra dirty and something should have happened, but it didn't and the crooks got bolder. Then 9/11 came and suddenly the crooks got to do all the wonderful things they'd been planning for so long.

Well, I think that the guys at the top have seen something like this coming for a while, maybe not exactly this but something that is going to make the people disgruntled and they have made preparations to make sure disgruntled citizens won't be any threat to them. You won't really notice the machine is there until they turn it on (let's hope they never turn it on).

Now, just for fun, Glenn Beck getting excited

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

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