Democrat 2020 candidates.

FluffyMcDeath said:
The Dems are just as owned by AIPAC as the Republicans are. Israel has bought the US government with US taxpayers money.
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Yup. I need that agree button. Once again, correct, but I can't stomach to press Like.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
The Dems are just as owned by AIPAC as the Republicans are. Israel has bought the US government with US taxpayers money.
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That's why voters have to only vote for Progressive candidates who do not take PAC money or Dark (corporation) money. People like Bernie are the inspiration for candidates who only accept small, individual donors.
The whole system has to be changed, but this is how it begins.
Also making gerrymandering illegal. Last Nov election one State had a Proposition to do just that and it passed. The rest of the States have to do the same.
 
cecilia said:
That's why voters have to only vote for Progressive candidates who do not take PAC money or Dark (corporation) money. People like Bernie are the inspiration for candidates who only accept small, individual donors.
The whole system has to be changed, but this is how it begins.
Also making gerrymandering illegal. Last Nov election one State had a Proposition to do just that and it passed. The rest of the States have to do the same.
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Well, it's now official. Bernie, himself, is running again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html

On one hand, good. On the other, I still can't help but wonder if he'll be able to recapture the people like he did in 2016.
 
redrumloa said:
According to questionable news out of both sides of the mouth, the Socialist movement among the youngest of voters is growing rapidly.
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Yep. This one I do believe, though. The youngest voters are the ones who have:

A) not seen firsthand the negative side of Socialism.

B) had front-row seats to watch the beginning of the endgame of Capitalism's current implementation in the US.

Because, let's face it, there are a lot of fundamental problems facing the United States right now. Despite being a massive money pit, our healthcare system is a global joke. Our income disparity and wealth distribution makes banana republics look fair. Worse, we're rapidly reaching an inflection point where the people who are gainfully employed are no longer willing or able to support the total taxes necessary to run the country as it stands. And that is a massive problem.

The Republicans address it by saying "We need to cut all this spending!" Of course, the programs they offer up to cut are not the pork projects that line the corporate pockets. The cuts need to come from social security, educational programs, environmental programs, and regulatory programs. In other words, they want to cut all the stuff that will {bleep} over the next generation the most.

The establishment Democrats, on the other hand, say "We need to raise more taxes!" Ignoring the elephant in the room of how, exactly, to do that. The poor got nothing to tax. And the middle class are rapidly running out of money and stomach for it, too. The rich already own everything and aren't going to allow that gravy train to end. And corporations will either just pass the tax on to their customers (basically taxing the poor and middle class more) or play the shell game and pay a little more to a few more lawyers, lobbyists, and PACs.

Add in the fact that we keep kicking the can down the road on issues that will impact the youngest voters more than the old folks, like national debt, social security, science research and environmental protection... It's not a mystery why an idealized Socialism looks good to the kids.

Of course, I don't think it's the right answer for the US. The right answer is to fix our Capitalism. Block the lobbyists and PACs, put back the regulations from the past that worked. Come up with new ones for the problems of today and tomorrow. Add/Increase progressive general wealth taxes, and estate taxes, such as Bill Gates talks of*, to get more money actively back into the real economy. But there seems to be little stomach for any of that.

And that's a shame. Because it likely means that instead of fixing Capitalism, we'll see a lot more Socialist tendencies, instead. And that's not really a road I'm looking forward to for future generations.

* - https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/12/...te-70-percent-marginal-modern-monetary-theory


Robert said:
I quite like him* but he's 77 already.
I have a feeling his ship has sailed.

*As much as I like any politician, so not that much. Best of a bad bunch, etc.
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I agree on both counts. Actually, I'd even say I like Bernie quite a bit. I don't agree with all his proposed solutions, but at least they are fairly well thought out, address issues that are relevant to actually helping people, and he has a proven record of always working for the common people, even when not politically expedient.

But, I also fear that his moment has passed. And the bigger problem is that there doesn't appear to be a younger candidate in that same mold for him to fully endorse and promote.
 
ilwrath said:
... the bigger problem is that there doesn't appear to be a younger candidate in that same mold for him to fully endorse and promote.
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And that's a damn shame.
 
redrumloa said:
:eek:

Bernie Commie-splaining why breadlines in the Soviet Union "was a good thing".
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Good lord. How old and out-of-context is that video clip? lol I'm quite sure he was never proposing food shortages as a good thing. (sigh) And if you read literally the next sentence I typed, you'd see that I don't agree with all his solutions, just that at least he is willing to identify and address the problem, and is on the side of the common person. Which beats the ostrich approach most politicians seem to favor.
 
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redrumloa said:
Will you call this old and out of context too?

Here’s the Full 1985 Interview Where Bernie Sanders Praised Castro, Slammed Reagan, and More
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I did watch a good chunk of that video just now. And I'd still say yes, it is very old. 34 years is more than most people's career in politics. Secondly, I'd also say that yes, those comments are taken out of context compared to the video you linked. I really only had time to skim it, but I can't say I heard much objectionable in the video. There were some statements I didn't agree with. Especially with the benefit of nearly three and a half decades of hindsight available, now. But when you look at it through the glasses of a young political career in 1985... What's the big deal? Hell, that was more than a decade before Trump was bragging about grabbing women. (Which also isn't that big of a deal.)
 
ilwrath said:
I did watch a good chunk of that video just now. And I'd still say yes, it is very old. 34 years is more than most people's career in politics. Secondly, I'd also say that yes, those comments are taken out of context compared to the video you linked. I really only had time to skim it, but I can't say I heard much objectionable in the video. There were some statements I didn't agree with. Especially with the benefit of nearly three and a half decades of hindsight available, now. But when you look at it through the glasses of a young political career in 1985... What's the big deal? Hell, that was more than a decade before Trump was bragging about grabbing women. (Which also isn't that big of a deal.)
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It gives an insight into his mindest, shows his track record. 3.5 decades later it does give the luxury of hindsight, but if he were president back then imagine the damage that would happen to the country. He holds basically the same opinions today. In 3.5 decades after him being elected in 2020, I can imagine the same disaster scenario.
 
Socialism, mud huts, bicycles and starvation for thee, wealth and power for me!

Bernie Sanders spent nearly $300G on private air travel in October: reports

Bernie Sanders is so concerned about climate change that he spent nearly $300,000 on private air travel in October so he could speak to audiences in nine battleground states prior to November's midterm elections.

The independent U.S. senator from Vermont also used the opportunity to test the waters for a potential 2020 presidential run, according to reports.

Sanders’ 2018 campaign committee issued an Oct. 10 payment of $297,685 to New York-based Apollo Jets, a charter jet company used by retired sports stars Derek Jeter and Shaquille O’Neal, according to federal campaign reports obtained by VTDigger.org, a watchdog news site in Vermont.

“This expense was for transportation for the senator’s nine-day, nine-state tour to support Democratic candidates up and down the ballot ahead of Election Day,” said Arianna Jones, senior communications adviser for Friends of Bernie Sanders.

“This cost covered the entirety of the tour from Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, South Carolina, Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, California, and back to Vermont,” Jones continued. “The senator participated in 25 events.”
 
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