4 killed in shooting at French Jewish school

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A gunman opened fire on a Jewish school in southern France Monday, killing four people -- the third shooting in the area in 10 days.

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Hang on - half way through this story goes off the rails. Near the top we read that one of the guns used in this attack was days earlier used to kill some French soldiers of African decent - but then it launches into how the Monday attack is clearly an anti-semitic attack and that remains the focus for the rest of the story. Were the French soldiers of African descent also Jewish, then? The article doesn't say.

Something is going on here - maybe the start of a low level campaign to get some sort of race riots going, maybe backed by a state, maybe just a lone nut or small group with an agenda for sowing discord so as to take advantage of subsequent chaos but painting it as an anti-semitic attack seems to be playing into that as it automatically diminishes the deaths in the previous attack. This looks like a terror campaign aimed at minorities or maybe even French society as a whole so calling it anti-semitism looks misguided.

Hopefully the French authorities will be able to settle this question by catching the responsible people soon before they do any more harm. Attacks on children are among the most horrifying things terrorists can do but as Whatshisface shooting spree guy in Norway found out - it doesn't get you much sympathy for your cause.
 
Looks like someone who's got lots of problems and has a long list of people to blame. The attack on Jews probably gets more press time compared to the soldiers because kids were involved. It seems both attacks were targeted. There will likely be another attack.
 
im not saying it is... but it seems timely given obamas rejection of their immediate war plans for iran... far more "accidental and incidental death " is due to "unknown circumstance" than i am comfortable with...
 
It could be blow back from Libya. Jews and blacks and France/NATO are the main parties blamed for instigating civil war. Or that could be exactly what I'm supposed to think!
 
It could be blow back from Libya. Jews and blacks and France/NATO are the main parties blamed for instigating civil war. Or that could be exactly what I'm supposed to think!
Making some link to Middle Eastern (or Northern African) foreign policy certainly sounds reasonable considering the targets and the fact they they seem intentionally targeted. The modus operandi here however suggests a small group or, most likely, a lone nut job who's either just barely sophisticated or just lucky enough to be getting away with it. Running around chasing people with guns is fairly high risk as this usually ends in a police fire fight. If he (she?) chooses to keep this up, he'll eventually get shot.
 
Making some link to Middle Eastern (or Northern African) foreign policy certainly sounds reasonable considering the targets and the fact they they seem intentionally targeted. The modus operandi here however suggests a small group or, most likely, a lone nut job who's either just barely sophisticated or just lucky enough to be getting away with it. Running around chasing people with guns is fairly high risk as this usually ends in a police fire fight. If he (she?) chooses to keep this up, he'll eventually get shot.

Indeed and it's not as though persecution of racial minorities in France is a new thing. Much of the anger that resulted in the Paris riots a little while back was as a direct result of French speaking brown people generally being treated like second class citizens.
 
The article that metalman linked is very interesting and the neo-nazi soldier theory sounds plausible. The deliberation and disciplined weapon use hints at training - and the choice of at least some of the targets makes sense.

However, I am still annoyed about the use of "anti-semitic" in this article. Unless all of the victims were Jewish it really is misleading to label some of the attacks anti-semitic and have the other attacks just be racism. It looks to be more broad range xenophobia than just anti-semitism + collateral damage. It sort of diminishes the death of the non-jews.
 
I didn't read metalman's post but I did read the same about neo-nazi paratroopers elsewhere as well. It's plausible.

As to the use of "anti-semite", I often see that more as a religious/cultural thing as opposed to a racial thing. Race wise, there's actually little difference between the Hebrews and other peoples of that area, including Palestinians and Greeks - and yet Palestinians and Greeks are rarely victims of such violence at least in Europe. Having attacked a religious leader it certainly has the appearance of being more about the religion/culture than anything else. There's little doubt in my mind that who ever did this knew exactly how everyone would react to killing a religious leader. I think you would agree with me that if it was an imam that was shot dead muslims would see this as an attack on their faith, and of course likewise if it was a Catholic priest.
 
I think you would agree with me that if it was an imam that was shot dead muslims would see this as an attack on their faith, and of course likewise if it was a Catholic priest.
Yes, they would, but why would the news single out such a thing - especially from a sequence of related events. If a Rabbi, and Imam and a Catholic priest all get killed by a car bomb, for example, the Muslim might feel it was attack on his faith, the Jew might feel it was an attack on his faith and the Muslim might feel that it was an attack on his faith but if the news says that there has been an anti-semitic attack but also a Catholic and a Muslim died then it has turned the story into something other than what it is. It is clearly biased and I think could provoke a backlash itself from the other communities whose tragedies are portrayed as second class. It's the kind of subtle language thing that goes on all the time when white people are murdered or killed but black and brown people merely die under the same circumstances. It's a biased representation that obscures the real story.
 
Sure, but the murders weren't quite equal. Two black soldiers were killed and 3 Jewish children were killed. Humans are hard wired to feel more emotion about children. You'd have a point if a third, Jewish soldier was also killed. In this context, you can't blame people for sensationalizing the fact that young children were specifically targeted because they were Jewish.

I might also add that the motive for the death of the soldiers was unclear. When the Jews were killed everything suddenly got a lot clearer. That too plays a role in media coverage.

And yes, attacks on Jews are a bit more sensitive because of WW2 & the NAZIs and all the imagery that conjures up plus the fact that neo-nazis still exist. I don't think that is unwarranted. If Jews get special treatment from the media it's probably because they get special treatment from the terrorists. If they are continually singled out, why shouldn't we discuss antisemitism?
 
I'm not sure whether it was a neo nazi, it might as well be a north African, but if that'd come out, things will turn ugly, also considering the riots in the banlieus a couple of years ago.
Let's say, I was kind of relieved hearing it might be a nazi. It's more, well, 'sustainable' (though I don't know exactly the situation in France)
 
Sure, but the murders weren't quite equal. Two black soldiers were killed and 3 Jewish children were killed. Humans are hard wired to feel more emotion about children.
Right - but they didn't use any terms that are specific to child killing, did they. The issue became not that they were kids but that they were jews. That is wrong. They were kids and it doesn't matter whose kids they were - it's that they were kids that was most important. And ALL of the victims were people.
If Jews get special treatment from the media it's probably because they get special treatment from the terrorists.
Well, perhaps it's something to do with who IS the media. Obviously Jews are more concerned about issues that affect Jews. The principle extends to Western media in general who feel that the death of a western soldier is far more of a loss to humanity than the non western kids he killed. But that is wrong too. It's myopic and divisive.
If they are continually singled out, why shouldn't we discuss antisemitism?
Using the word antisemitism DOES single them out. The fact that there is a word for it singles them out. If it were any other group then it would just be racism but the fact that there is a special term for this particular kind of racism MAKES this kind of racism special. Is there any special word for the attacks on the blacks? Is there such a word for antiromani violence? The Romani suffered in WWII as well. They didn't come out of it with any special word.[/quote]
 
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