4 killed in shooting at French Jewish school

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Speelgoedmannetje said:
I'm not sure whether it was a neo nazi, it might as well be a north African, but if that'd come out, things will turn ugly, also considering the riots in the banlieus a couple of years ago.
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It could be just about anyone but the neo-nazis look like a good fit, and indeed that would be good. If it were a coordinated effort out of North Africa, possibly with Chinese or Russian backing to cause trouble by splintering France along racial lines (something which should be fairly easy to do as the immigrant influx has put the country under considerable social strain) then it could put a fire to the tinder and keep Europe to busy to help invading any more of the worlds oil fields. Even if it is a lone nut I'm sure the fallout will be watched to judge the level of cohesion and immunity to destabilization in France. As the economic system continues to stagnate unrest will become easier and easier to provoke and most countries have enemies.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Right - but they didn't use any terms that are specific to child killing, did they. The issue became not that they were kids but that they were jews. That is wrong. They were kids and it doesn't matter whose kids they were - it's that they were kids that was most important. And ALL of the victims were people.
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Under the circumstances I think it does matter that they were Jewish. We've seen plenty of kids being shot up in schools, and in those cases kids are shot at random - some of which are bound to have been Jewish, but we don't hear about antisemitism then do we? Except of course in Montreal, where women were exclusively shot dead and men were allowed to leave. Would you say we should ignore the fact that women were singled out at the Polytechnique? Should we not treat the Montreal incident as a violence against women issue? I certainly think we should. And what happened in France is no different. Until we know otherwise, it's a pretty safe bet right now that the only reason those 3 kids in France were shot dead is because they were Jewish. I do not understand why you think that is not relevant, I think it's paramount.

Using the word antisemitism DOES single them out. The fact that there is a word for it singles them out.
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You can put "anti" in from on anything. Anti-american, anti-capitalism, anti-communism, anti-corruption, anti-Greek, anti-Turkman, anti-muslim, anti-homosexual, anti-abortion, anti-intellectual, anti-immigrant, anti-everything.

If it were any other group then it would just be racism but the fact that there is a special term for this particular kind of racism MAKES this kind of racism special.
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Except that it makes as much sense as calling anti-homosexuals racists. They might be, but not because they oppose homosexuality. And speaking of special words, there's a word for those who hate women: misogynists (from the Greek words misos - to hate, and gyneka - woman). And I'd like you to note that although "antisemitism" is really just "anti" and "semitism" stuck together, misogynism is far more clinical and is even associated with mental disorders. Antisemitism is nothing more special than antiaircraft. If you're sick of hearing it, it's probably because the Semites get singled out and attacked more often than other groups. Maybe THAT'S the problem.
 
Glaucus said:
Under the circumstances I think it does matter that they were Jewish.
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I think we disagree on what "under the circumstances IS.
We've seen plenty of kids being shot up in schools, and in those cases kids are shot at random - some of which are bound to have been Jewish, but we don't hear about antisemitism then do we?
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No we don't and that is exactly my point. The top of the article implies that this is part of a string of attacks on minotrities, in fact the second paragraph reads:
The incident at the Ozar Hatorah school marked the third time in the past 10 days that a gunman on a motorcycle has fired on minorities in the region.
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We know that the other three were African but the article does not state or suggest that they were Jewish - so the string of attacks is against minorities in general not jews specifically.
Until we know otherwise, it's a pretty safe bet right now that the only reason those 3 kids in France were shot dead is because they were Jewish.
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Yes and no - they were jewish so were a minority and the other dead are also minority so the common factor is what?

If you're sick of hearing it, it's probably because the Semites get singled out and attacked more often than other groups. Maybe THAT'S the problem.
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And maybe it isn't. Maybe other groups get attacked more but don't complain as effectively.

The point is, as the article had laid out - so far it looked as if someone was targeting minorities. Then the story was hijacked to be about antisemitism which leaves the three dead Africans out in the cold as some sort of afterthought. We can talk about the relative value of a child's life versus that of an adult's life because that is universal - we were all children, we all grew into adults - so we can empathize with the idea that the death of a child is somehow more tregic than the death of an adult - but is the death of a jew more tragic than the death of a non-jew? Are jews worth more than non-jews? Are americans worth more than arabs? Is some persons death more or less important because of the group that they were identified with?
 
 
Seems they may have a suspect surrounded:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17446999

... the suspect has a Kalashnikov, a mini-Uzi 9mm machine pistol and several handguns. He earlier threw one gun, a Colt 45, from a window in exchange for a phone. A .45 calibre pistol was used at all three murder scenes. More weapons were found in a car near the flat.

Mr Gueant said the suspect had made one visit to Afghanistan and one to Pakistan.
"He claims to be a mujahideen and to belong to al-Qaeda," Mr Gueant said.

"He wanted revenge for the Palestinian children and he also wanted to take revenge on the French army because of its foreign interventions."
French media have linked the suspect to a group called Forsane Alizza (Knights of Pride) that was banned by Mr Gueant in January.
The prison director in Kandahar, southern Afghanistan, Gulam Farooq, told the BBC the suspect was arrested in 2007 and jailed for three years for planting bombs, before escaping in a mass Taliban-led break-out in 2008.
The BBC's Hugh Schofield in Paris says investigators report that the suspect was identified because of an email message sent to his first victim about buying a scooter.
The message, sent from the suspect's brother's account, set up an appointment at which the soldier was killed, sources told AFP.
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look its evil israeli related... like satan on steroids... complete with roid rage.... people are getting sick of them... they make bin laden look like a kindergarten playground amateur... but hey, we're their buddies...:confused:
 
robert l. bentham said:
look its evil israeli related... like satan on steroids... complete with roid rage.... people are getting sick of them... they make bin laden look like a kindergarten playground amateur... but hey, we're their buddies...:confused:
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Israeli related ?? explain
 
The authorities knew about Merah for a long time yet he was able to legally register a large number of weapons including a registered Uzi, apparently. However, for all that time they appear to have failed to deal with him. Perhaps they were running him as a double agent.
 
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