ACORN In The News - Have They Been Caught?

FluffyMcDeath said:
James T Kirk said:
1. Do you suggest that we let the "poorer people" write the laws. People who write the laws can do so because that can spell L-A-W. If the "poorer people" want to write laws then they can work the butts off and get a college degree.

Gene Roddenberry would not have concurred.

Quite so, his vision of Earth's future was that of a post capitalist utopia based on a meritocracy.

In this Utopia, there would be no poor or rich, there would be equal oportunities for all. The only limiting factor would be yourself.

No wonder Starfleet booted your dumb ass out. If the people of future earth could see what a twunt their hero was, they'd be destroyed.
 
Re: Lee, Lee, Lee

ltstanfo said:
eleventhma said:
You do understand what the differences are between fraudulent voter registration, voter fraud, and election fraud, right?

Yes Geoff, I do and thank you for asking. :wink:

Since the FBI is now apparently investigating I will be satisfied with results of their findings. Everything else (at this point) can be argued either way (IMO).

Regards,
Ltstanfo

This is great because the FBI are so efficient that they will be investigating this until after the election, which was also Rove's plan for pressing to get the AGs to investigate voter fraud in the last cycle. The plan was not to win the suits but to made hay about their "on-going-ness" up to the election. After that the case could fall apart but the purpose of the investigation was to cast aspersions.

Remember that the FBI is subject to political pressure. This is the same FBI that stopped investigating Saudis prior to 9/11 despite the suspicions of several agents that Saudis they were watching were suspicious (who later went on to fly planes into buiildings) due to political pressure from higher up.
 
The 1995 version of the DoJ election crimes manual specifically recommended that election fraud investigations should be done AFTER elections to avoid a chilling effect on voters.

The manual was updated in May, 2007 softens that position a little. This is not surprising as it is a useful tool for discouraging minority voters.

Making allegations against ACORN just before an election was done in 2006

The point is that the charges should be brought AFTER an election because the charges may have no foundation. If the election is affected due to baseless allegations then harm has been done to the electoral process just as if fraud had been true. Suppressing ACORN support benefits Republicans and the D0J can bring baseless charges at will (since the AGs are appointed and all the AGs that didn't want to play ball were sacked) without repercussion.

That is: if ACORN were cheating then they could be held legally accountable after the election just as much as before the election, but if the DoJ is cheating then it can get away with it because it's the law.
 
The level of GOP manipulation is even higher than the last few cycles. Millions of eligible voters are being purged. This is orders of magnitude greater than the supposed ACORN extra voters.

The GOP is taking away the rights of millions of law abiding citizens. They have to, because they have a bigger percentage gap to close this time.
 
And the problems with electronic voting machines continue

In Charleston, WV, voters complain about the machines flipping their votes.

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200810170676

Hopefully this is just a problem that can be corrected by recalibrating the machines, and not caused by some sort of shenanigans in the code.
 
A Republican voting organization charged by signees w/ duping them into signing up as GOP.
 
Re: And the problems with electronic voting machines continu

eleventhma said:
In Charleston, WV, voters complain about the machines flipping their votes.

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200810170676

Hopefully this is just a problem that can be corrected by recalibrating the machines, and not caused by some sort of shenanigans in the code.
god damn it, that pisses me off!!!!

this is the very definition of UNAmerican
 
faethor said:
A Republican voting organization charged by signees w/ duping them into signing up as GOP.

Ha! That's just cover so when they switch the votes over they can say, well we gotr a large number of people joining the Republican party in the weeks leading up to the election so that explains the big swing.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Well, well. You may be on to something. It seems that the hotbed of Democratic voters that is rural Alabama seems to have more voters than adult population.
In Alabama it appears they used a list of 480 crimes to oust the voters. Yet the offical list is only around 70 crimes. LINK

I think the LINK above does a good job explaining some of these problems. The databases they are checking against themselves can be inaccurate. For example, someone failed to enter the birthday the first time automatically sets it to 1900 making those people 108 years old.

It seems the errors from ACORN appear to nationwide be around 1-2%. And of course these aren't voting errors they are voter registration errors there is a difference.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
James T Kirk said:
1. Do you suggest that we let the "poorer people" write the laws. People who write the laws can do so because that can spell L-A-W. If the "poorer people" want to write laws then they can work the butts off and get a college degree.

Gene Roddenberry would not have concurred.

That is why he was never was part of my crew.
 
ACORN also falsely accused of fostering anti-Americanism

Here's a quote from Rush Limbaugh recently on his show:

From the time of my birth, 57 years ago, to today, this country has grown and expanded, prosperity has opened its doors for more and more people around the world, not just people born in this country. We know the stories of Asians emigrating and running rings around people born in this country academically in California. We know all about the immigration, legal and illegal, to get into the country. We know that the standard of living has risen. We know that technological advancement is going along at light speed. And yet during this period of time, whether it be the last 57 years or be it the last 20 years, it seems that a majority of the black population has remained angry, frustrated, and behind. They've been left behind. They are acting like they've been left behind, and of course we've heard that this is because of racism, natural systemic institutional racism in America, that we are unfair, that this country is just horrible and rotten.

You ever ask yourself how it is that people not even born here can come here and in a few short years begin prospering in school, their own business or what have you, yet people who are born in this country somehow have been raised to hate it, to think they're still back in the days of slavery. I actually think, after studying all this ACORN stuff and reading what Stanley Kurtz has written about this, I actually believe that what has taken place here in addition to liberal Democrat legislation, such as the Great Society and the war on poverty, which a lot of people will now acknowledge really busted up the black family by the government taking the place of the husband and father, free to roam around and bear no responsibility. The mother remained the mother, she got the financial assistance from this legislation, from the federal government. The federal government became the father. The father didn't have to hang around in order for the kids to be okay, depending on how you define okay. But as you study more and more of this ACORN stuff, you find that it has been part of an entire movement that has been going on for two, maybe three decades, right under our noses.

We thought that it was just liberal welfare policies and all that that kept blacks from progressing while other minorities grew and prospered, but no, it is these wackos from Bill Ayers to Jeremiah Wright to other anti-American Afrocentric black liberation theologists with ACORN, and Barack Obama is smack dab in the middle of it, they have been training young black kids to hate, hate, hate this country, and they trained their parents before that to hate, hate, hate this country. It was a movement. It was a Bill Ayers, anti-capitalist, anti-American educational movement. ACORN is how it was implemented, right under our noses. They're doing far more, folks, than just cheating when it comes to elections and registration. They are in deep in this mortgage crisis. ACORN and Obama and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, the Democrat Party, have their fingerprints all over the subprime mortgage crisis. The whole concept of affordable housing was people that can't afford a mortgage are going to get one, because America is unfair.

It has been a movement, it has been a religion, and Obama and Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers were all up to their big ears in it.


Wow. I mean, just... wow. So both ACORN and Barack Obama have been fostering anti-Americanism, in cahoots with the likes of Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers, in some sort of decades-long conspiracy against the United States. Is he {bleep} serious?!?

Of course, this totally ignores the role that racism has played in the recent history of this country (not to mention the older history). It assumes that ACORN is some sort of racist organization that hates America, and it essentially implies that anyone affiliated or associated with ACORN also hates America. African-Americans make up almost a quarter of all enlisted personnel in the military and almost ten percent of the officers, when they are only about 13 percent of the population as a whole, so in other words they serve in uniform at a rate that is almost twice their percentage of the population. Of course, had Rush himself ever worn the uniform a day in his {bleep} life he would have known that, but that is a whole other issue. But this idea that somehow all or most African Americans hate this country seems, to be charitable, pretty damn unfair. I would not have to look too hard to find plenty of examples of white people who say and do some pretty horrible things in regard to their views of this country: various right-wing militias; Neo-Confederates and other secessionist groups; Neo-Nazis and other racist groups. Does that reflect on ALL white people as a result? Hardly. But to say that institutional racism and ingrained societal racism has nothing to do with many blacks being "left behind" is a sad, sad joke. And while there has certainly been a lot of residual racism in the last twenty years, the last "57" years that Rush mentions absolutely includes all sorts of ugly racist things - does he think that nothing really racist happened in the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's? Does he think that none of it was institutional? Does he think that African Americans have no right to be upset for what has been inflicted on them over most of the history of this country? Sure, we as a country have come a long way since slavery, but the idea that racism is no longer a real issue in this country, or a real issue in the politics of this country, is naive. [/b]
 
Re: All this venom directed at ACORN is having an effect

eleventhma said:

From the article:
But after McCain outrageously claimed before a national audience on Wednesday night that ACORN was “maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy,” the group came under attack, literally.

Are there any laws that would apply for inciting hatred? Preferably of the class action variety? There is no way that any politician should get away with endangering peoples lives like this.
 
Arrests made for voter registration fraud

It turns out that a GOP operative in California broke a few laws, including tricking people into registering as Republicans. Oops.

The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario late last night on suspicion of voter registration fraud.

State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California.

Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department comes after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by his firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM. The voters said YPM tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters. The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP.

Several agencies had launched investigations into Jacoby's activities, including the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which issued the warrant for his arrest earlier this month on felony charges of voter registration fraud and perjury.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 2357.story
 
Re: All this venom directed at ACORN is having an effect

eleventhma said:
There have been a number of threat directed at ACORN offices around the country, and a number of ACORN offices have been vandalized.

If McCain's numbers keep heading the way they're heading I can only see this getting dirtier and uglier. Imagine cranking the fever up high enough that you could get riots at polling stations with high black and hispanic populations (i.e. more likely to vote Democrat) .. and, hey, if it gets ugly enough and spreads they can still play it to their advantage a la "The election is not valid and it's all those non-white people's fault." That would be very alarming but inflammatory speech like Palin and McCain's is playing with fire but if you get too far back in the race then you can always play "if I can't have it, I won't let you have it either".

Petty? Sure, but petty seems to be what's in play right now.
 
Re: All this venom directed at ACORN is having an effect

the_leander said:
Are there any laws that would apply for inciting hatred?
Besides the Patriot Act?
 
Re: All this venom directed at ACORN is having an effect

faethor said:
the_leander said:
Are there any laws that would apply for inciting hatred?
Besides the Patriot Act?
yes, the Patriot Act incites hatred - of scum politicans
 
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