Administration blocks Texas voter ID law

  • Thread starter Thread starter News Feed
  • Start date Start date
Oh yeah, I forgot to include the New Hampshire video. Here it is.


But it couldn't happen anywhere else.

Well Faethor, I'll add just one more to that list of easily obtained voter registration forms that require NO ID and then be able to vote by absentee ballot in the great state of where else, Minnesota, for Tim Tebow and Tom Brady and 18 more at the same time by one guy, and it's all on video.

Go to
!
 
Dammy said:
Housing project residents would have their own separate mailing address for each unit so that doesn't wash. Now skilled nursing or rehab may be a point, but since the rehab is generally temporary, I doubt they are worried about voting from that facility. Skilled nursing facility may have quiet a few, but the majority of the long term residence suffer from some degree of Dementia so no voting there.
Click to expand...

halfway houses, community housing for the disabled, dept of corrections reintegration homes, drug treament inpatient and out, sororities, frat houses....criminy i could prolly come up with 50 reasons why 6 people live at the same address... i have four kids myself, all of voting age... son gets some mail sent here cause he's in military... the videos are good fun... registering as tim tebow... the devil came cloaked as a man of god... heh heh... outstanding!!
 
faethor said:
This is a silly post from Metalman as it doesn't support his position. Just because more voters live in a house doesn't mean they are fake voters. It'd certainly be more wothwhile to focus on actual votes. Did the source audit and see that all 6 people voted? And if so were they alive and US citizens? If so it doesn't matter. ... Metalman's link is a good question but clearly not conclusive in the way he hopes it might be.
Click to expand...

all of these republican voter fraud mischief makers are certainly increasing the incidence of the fraud they purport to stave off... fear mongering at its finest.... for, fantasies of fraud fulfill the falling; and failings of faith. :oops:
 
r.i.b. sez:
"fear mongering at its finest"
------------------

And besides that "everyone" knows that Democrats would never take advantage of an open policy whereby someone could vote multiple times without fear of ever being caught. Democrats have too much respect to win by any illegal means, ever and ever, amen. So help me, Polosi-Dodd-Frank-Kerry-Kennedy-Obama.
 
Oops Sorry Faethor, I left this one out. But it's only a video of Dead People getting to vote.

 
Fade said:
Oh yeah, I forgot to include the New Hampshire video. Here it is.
Well Faethor, I'll add just one more to that list of easily obtained voter registration forms that require NO ID and then be able to vote by absentee ballot in the great state of where else, Minnesota, for Tim Tebow and Tom Brady and 18 more at the same time by one guy, and it's all on video.
Click to expand...
First off these weren't actual votes. They were possible votes because their were dead people on the voting roles. Actual voting is a criminal offense. And, again without Voter-ID, we've found and successfully prosectued these people. The question is valid, though the data for tracking the result shows this event is virtually non-existent.

Can we agree that because we're a Representational Democracy the greater number of valid voters then all the better? (I hope so it's one the Founders thought.) What we have today in Minnesota in 2008 was a 78% voter turn out. Out of that figure less than 30 were tried for fraud. I could have the math wrong as I'm doing this in my head that's ~.001% error from fraud. And about 22% error from the non-voting who didn't get their voices heard. Now compare this to a Voter-ID state. Like Texas with a 54% voter turn out. Indiana 59%, South Carolina 58%, or Kansas with 62%.. What we see here is a 38 to 46% error from the non-voting who didn't get their voices heard. Or an easy doubling in error above non-Voter-ID Systems.

What it appears to me is Voter-ID's disenfrancisement of voters seriously impacts the understanding of the will of the people because it results in halfing the voices of the eligible voters. The problem of error from a few dead people on the polls (again you've not proven they actually voted.) is in actually less impacting. Now throw in that Voter-ID adds expense to the goverment and doesn't return investment - this is the sort of poor economic return that Republicans complain about happening.

So why is it supported? The data says the most disenfrancised voter are those which tend to vote Democratic. So the Repubes see it in their favor to 'legally' rig the ballot in their favor. Instead they should be focused on reducing expenses and maximizing the voice of the people. Instead Republicans are focused on FUD and sowing diversiness.
 
Faethor said:
"First off these weren't actual votes. They were possible votes because their were dead people on the voting roles."
-------------------------

Wrong! Tim Tebow is not dead, nor is he on the Minnesota voting list.

You are correct, they were not actual votes. But the people exposing this fiasco knew better than to actually vote and then turn around and post a video of them doing that, so that argument doesn't hold water. A person intent on fraudulently voting is not going to purposely expose himself.

The purpose of the videos was to show just how easily one person could ask for and receive a voter application or 20, that can be mailed back to get on the voter list without ever proving they are a real person, dead or alive.

Once you are on the voting list, you never have to show up in person to vote, just request an absentee ballot. In the 2008 election 10% of the voters in Minnesota requested to vote absentee. How many of those were fraudulent? That's anybody's guess, because no ID is required to get a voter application!

As for the people who didn't get their voices heard because they didn't vote. That's pure pabulum. They got their voices heard alright. Their voices said, they could care less. You hear it all the time right here on Whyzzat. "My guy didn't win his primary, so I will just skip it." or "There is no difference in the people running for that office, so why bother."

Quote
"The data says the most disenfrancised voter are those which tend to vote Democratic."
----------------------

The data also show that when a disenfranchised voter wants government a$$istance, they always manage to produce a valid ID.
 
Fade said:
You are correct, they were not actual votes. But the people exposing this fiasco knew better than to actually vote and then turn around and post a video of them doing that, so that argument doesn't hold water. A person intent on fraudulently voting is not going to purposely expose himself.
Click to expand...
I'm glad you see there's the potential of the act versus the reality of the act. In reality the fraudlent votes are few and far between. Instead of shoulding all over a problem that isn't happening let's focus on improving actual problems in society.

Once you are on the voting list, you never have to show up in person to vote, just request an absentee ballot. In the 2008 election 10% of the voters in Minnesota requested to vote absentee. How many of those were fraudulent? That's anybody's guess, because no ID is required to get a voter application!
Click to expand...
Seems to me the problem is the voting roles aren't kept clean enough. How about we simply assign more resources to do that job? Wouldn't the costs to society be much less then a whole new Voter-ID system?

As for the people who didn't get their voices heard because they didn't vote. That's pure pabulum. They got their voices heard alright. Their voices said, they could care less. You hear it all the time right here on Whyzzat. "My guy didn't win his primary, so I will just skip it." or "There is no difference in the people running for that office, so why bother."
Click to expand...
Certainly people may not vote, that's always their choice. But, the system itself should be as convenient as possible. As Voter-ID states have a larger drop out rate than non-voter-ID states it's fairly clear that errors are much larger due to the not knowning the will of the person. If you really want to know 'don't care' it should be a voting option, else you're simply guessing everyone is the same as your brother. What we see in Wisconsin is once the Voter-ID law was passed the Republican Gov then shutdown a bunch of government offices. This resulted in some people traveling over 100 miles to get a card they need to track that they use for 5 minutes every two years. It's clearly a disenfrancisment.

I'd add in Minnesota the Republicans clearly don't want to make this easy. The Democratic Party recently said sure we'll help get a voter-id law in. Make it electronic and free. Nothing for anyone to track they get a photo once and it goes in a computer. Then at the polling place they pull up the image and compare to the person. Well, of course the Republicans didn't want that. Clearly not disenfrancising enough.

Don't forget the Voter-ID must be free. Which means it's always a cost to the government. Else it'd be an illegal poll tax.

Also - Didn't you once claim you knew a son that voted for his Dad at a polling station?
 
and032712blog1.jpg


http://www.chron.com/default/article/Facts-elusive-in-Texas-voter-ID-fight-3433773.php
 
@ Faethor

I have been told in a different threat on this matter that TX requires a photo ID to get TX welfare. So the argument about being poor not having IDs is nonsense because if they are poor, they would be on welfare which requires a photo ID. Now what TX could do is offer retina and finger print scans at the time of voting registration so they won't need ID when they show up, would that be better?
 
Dammy said:
Now what TX could do is offer retina and finger print scans at the time of voting registration so they won't need ID when they show up, would that be better?
Click to expand...
It's kind of creepy - but would the middle class and upper class voters put up with it?
 
Dammy said:
Iave been told in a different threat on this matter that TX requires a photo ID to get TX welfare. So the argument about being poor not having IDs is nonsense because if they are poor, they would be on welfare which requires a photo ID.
Click to expand...
You seem to assume this 600K is all poor? There are people without IDs for various reasons. I think Redrumloa, in the past, complained about Healthcare cards and how they'd prevent him from slipping away and being anonymous. Now you want a system that further identifies Red so he can't slip away.

The cartoon did justice to illustrating how non-existence this problem is. For example in Minnesota the last election was met with .0015% of the population being identified as an illegal vote. Wow! Now in the era of big government and big spending Republicans want to spend millions of more dollars to prevent the 5 voters and create 600K disenfrancised voters? Neither Conservative nor an intelligent use of Government resources.

Now what TX could do is offer retina and finger print scans at the time of voting registration so they won't need ID when they show up, would that be better?
Click to expand...
Minnesota Democratic party purposed a State owned electronic system such that ID Cards would be uncessary. A simple photo comparision should be able to do this without creating the environment of FUD that biometric scans would require. Now while the plan was about 1/3 of the Republican plan and just as accurate the Republicans of course wanted to spend the millions more. Conservative? Nope simply more Republican borrow and spend tactics that we're well aware of over the last 35 years.
 
faethor said:
You seem to assume this 600K is all poor? There are people without IDs for various reasons. I think Redrumloa, in the past, complained about Healthcare cards and how they'd prevent him from slipping away and being anonymous. Now you want a system that further identifies Red so he can't slip away.

The cartoon did justice to illustrating how non-existence this problem is. For example in Minnesota the last election was met with .0015% of the population being identified as an illegal vote. Wow! Now in the era of big government and big spending Republicans want to spend millions of more dollars to prevent the 5 voters and create 600K disenfrancised voters? Neither Conservative nor an intelligent use of Government resources.

Minnesota Democratic party purposed a State owned electronic system such that ID Cards would be uncessary. A simple photo comparision should be able to do this without creating the environment of FUD that biometric scans would require. Now while the plan was about 1/3 of the Republican plan and just as accurate the Republicans of course wanted to spend the millions more. Conservative? Nope simply more Republican borrow and spend tactics that we're well aware of over the last 35 years.
Click to expand...

all designed to squander the monies and resources of this nation so grover can have his precious bathtub drowning...
 
robert l. bentham said:
hmm... sounds bad except these "anomalies" can usually be tracked back to residential care facilities and housing projects... in which case... nothing to see here...
Click to expand...

The group visited addresses and scoured property tax records. The group found many of the addresses were vacant lots or business addresses. Thirty-nine were registered at businesses and 97 of the addresses were nonexistent. One hundred six of the registrations revealed the same registrant registered more than once, and 207 of the addresses turned out to be vacant lots. Meanwhile, 595 registrations had registrants with driver’s license addresses not matching the registration, and many were voting in a district they did not live in
Click to expand...
 
metalman said:
If you don't investigate, you don't find
Click to expand...
Admittedly so. Again in Minnesota the illegal votes were FOUND by the audits of the vote. Something done without the aid of Voter-ID. Why not mandate deeper audits then? Far less expensive and proven to work in identifying voting problems.

You've noted important problems in the voter rolls - cleaning up deaths and cleaning up unoccupied properties. Why not tighten the pre and post audits to verify this information? The problem here is Republicans are wrongly assuming that if someone is dead there's some sort of conspiracy to figure this out and vote in their place.

What the Republican anti-voting coalition should be doing for the next election is improving their study. Figure out who died in the last 4 years. Then after the vote audit the voting rolls to see (1) if that person was on the list and (2) if someone signed the list as that person and likely cast a ballot. Or simply put identify a truly fraudlent vote.
 
faethor said:
Why not mandate deeper audits then?
Click to expand...
Are you mad? Discouraging likely Democrat voters from going to the polls or preventing them from voting once they get there is one thing. Uncovering fraud ... now that's a step too far.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top