Adopted children tortured, murdered in Florida

[redrumloa]

Red, what would you have done to these parents

I hope you aren't fishing for sympathy from me for these parents. I don't know if you can prove murder, but they should be pursuing manslaughter charges along with gross negligence and child abuse. I have no sympathy for these parents, throw the book at them whatever that is in France. What is the maximum penalty in France for manslaughter? Making someone watch The Triplets of Belleville for 24 hours straight and then releasing them?

Maybe if this happened in Texas prosecuters could try murder charges and death penalty.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Can we lump stupid people in with evil people and just kill them all?

What if they had given her a medication on the advice of a doctor, one that had been recently approved by the FDA because someone took a bribe and she died of an unadvertised but known complication? How far should people go to validate the claims of those they view as experts and how much should the blame be on "experts"? Parents aren't generally trying to kill their children except in very rare instances and almost always what is done, even when wrong, is done because parents thought it was the best for their children. For these Vegans their child is dead because they were wrong. They are already punished more than any court could punish them.

 

[redrumloa]

Parents aren't generally trying to kill their children except in very rare instances and almost always what is done, even when wrong, is done because parents thought it was the best for their children. For these Vegans their child is dead because they were wrong. They are already punished more than any court could punish them.

What if it was their religion to not take the child to a doctor? I doubt many here would have the same sympathy. Before I read the article the door was open for possible symapthy, after reading it the door is closed. Only breast feeding at 11 months? Ignoring doctors orders to rush the kid to the hospital? Child abuse that lead to death.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

What if it was their religion to not take the child to a doctor?

Same question. Who bares the responsibility? Is it the parents alone? Or is it the "experts" that advised them? In the case of the medical profession it is clear that patience have legal recourse if the doctor does not act competently because he/she is the expert in this situation who claims the knowledge of the correct response and who the patient relies upon to know such things. If someone else claims expertise and gives people advice but that advice proves poor then surely the adviser who is misrepresenting themselves bears a portion of responsibility.

 

[Glaucus]

I hope you aren't fishing for sympathy from me for these parents.

Sympathy? Not at all. I just wanted to see if you'd reserve the death penalty just for evil people. These Vegans may be stupid or whatever, but they are not what I expect you would label as evil.

Maybe if this happened in Texas prosecuters could try murder charges and death penalty.

Unfortunately, this doesn't answer my question. Unless of course you are implying that you would endorse the death penalty for the vegans if they were in Texas. Would you?

 

[redrumloa]

Unfortunately, this doesn't answer my question. Unless of course you are implying that you would endorse the death penalty for the vegans if they were in Texas. Would you?

Depends what part of me you are asking. If you are asking the parent inside me, I would indeed endorse it. If you get past the parent part of me and get an answer without those emotions, I would say probably not. I would want the book thrown at them for the applicable charges, being manslaughter and child abuse.

 

[Glaucus]

Same question. Who bares the responsibility? Is it the parents alone? Or is it the "experts" that advised them? In the case of the medical profession it is clear that patience have legal recourse if the doctor does not act competently because he/she is the expert in this situation who claims the knowledge of the correct response and who the patient relies upon to know such things. If someone else claims expertise and gives people advice but that advice proves poor then surely the adviser who is misrepresenting themselves bears a portion of responsibility.

That's not really where I was trying to go with that, but since we're there now...

I think there is a bigger question here, and that is where is the line between care and neglect? If you want to actually protect children from neglect, then you'll have to draw it somewhere and most err on the side of caution. This of course means you cast a wider net then you probably need. This means we need to ponder questions like what to do with pregnant women who drink, smoke or do drugs. One can argue that small amounts of all of those may be just fine, but some would argue that a truly caring mother would not take the chance because we never know how much is too much in any given case.

As for the vegans, well, I have no problems with people trying out their own remedies, but pneumonia is no minor illness - a little bit of cabbage and some wholesome earth isn't gonna make things better. And it's not so much that pneumonia is darned serious and requires highly specialized equipment but that it's something the medical community has a fairly good understanding of. We're not exactly on the fringes of modern medicine here, there are well documented methodologies here for treating this condition. But you're right, even with the most routine of medical procedures things can go tragically wrong, but the question is, are the fears of such a calamity probable? Fact is they did nothing while their infant withered away, until of course she died and they decided to finally do something conventional like call an ambulance. Unfortunately that was too little too late.

 

[cecilia]

........... For these Vegans their child is dead because they were wrong. They are already punished more than any court could punish them.

I'm not trying to be funny but these people basically "won" the Darwin award.
They really should NOT have any children