At 11th Hour, Georgia Passes “Women as Livestock” Bill

it's gonna take you a bit to find something irrelevant that you can misconstrue in this way or that..... soooo.... i'm gonna go easter egg hunting with the grand kids behind the church (they use candy and mythical bunnies to lure them in)... ;)
 
u should at least say ur sorry for saying that about me... u wont find anything even close to that... in fact my personal beliefs on abortion are much more stringent than what i am willing to allow politically in order to spare women the anguish of back alley abortions by clothes hanger or angry man kicking them down the stairs... dont confuse "librul" with "doesnt think about the consequence and ramifications"... you owe me an apology...
 
umbilical strangulation onsetting in last trimester causing an oxygen deprivation hindering brain development... i wouldn't necessarily agree with it but i can see where someone might feel "ill prepared to deal with that life long and not wanting to leave it to the machinations of society", to feel otherwise... but i can see reasoning... what about "change of heart" in a rape or incest situation? initial thought is to carry baby to term then change mind... i dunno... i am soooooo glad i never had to make that decision.... i like the children in my world more so than the dumb ass adults....
 
redrumloa said:
It is well established that you and other Whyzzat members think a baby outside of the womb and detached from a umbilical cord, breathing and heart beating, should be killed too.
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If it looks out of place in the neighbourhood, apparently that's true. Just make sure your dad is a judge first.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
I am not a fan of arbitrary lines - every situation is different - but it's not very easy to write laws that way.
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Precisely why I am asking. It's one of those issues that always causes outrage on both sides of the divide, but when pressed, neither side really seems to have a solution to that particular question. Clearly, ruling out abortion all together, as some highly conservative types may prefer is, as those on the pro-choice side would agree not an option. Then again, those same pro-choice people will spit feathers at any suggestion they are "pro infanticide" because they have objections to placing a time limit on abortion. And yet, foetuses barely over 20 weeks have survived premature birth. Arguably if it were not for modern medicine they would not have, but if we have the means to support it at that stage, we need to consider carefully what that means for terminations at that stage of development. Does personhood, and with it, the right to life, only exist from the point where you aren't directly dependent on your mother's placenta? Or is it defined from the point at which you could survive, even if it is with medical assistance? After all, you don't stop being a person just because your continuing life depends on medical assistance some time much later.

Clearly, to my mind at least, the only option on all of this is to compromise. Legally, as you say, that means a line has to be drawn somewhere. Clearly any such law has to recognise special circumstances and judge such cases individually, but that line is still required regardless. The question is, where do you put it? At the risk of sounding all "war on women", 20 weeks would seem like it would be time enough to decide one way or the other in the majority of cases.
 
Karlos said:
The question is, where do you put it? At the risk of sounding all "war on women", 20 weeks would seem like it would be time enough to decide one way or the other in the majority of cases.
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which is precisely why there need not be law... most agree on that... law precludes situations that need a case by case analysis which is best performed by... taaa dummm! a woman and her conscience and her doctor!!! gawd i wish for the supreme court of old... used to be they could deadlock and decide by default that no further law was needed... not like today where everyone wants them to legislate (in their favor) from the bench....
 
robert l. bentham said:
which is precisely why there need not be law... most agree on that... law precludes situations that need a case by case analysis which is best performed by... taaa dummm! a woman and her conscience and her doctor!!! gawd i wish for the supreme court of old... used to be they could deadlock and decide by default that no further law was needed... not like today where everyone wants them to legislate (in their favor) from the bench....
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The problem with this is the already existing legal right to life. If you decide there doesn't need to be any such law on the upper limit for termination dates, you are implicitly stating that this right to life begins only at birth and cannot apply sooner.
 
robert l. bentham said:
umbilical strangulation onsetting in last trimester causing an oxygen deprivation hindering brain development... i wouldn't necessarily agree with it but i can see where someone might feel "ill prepared to deal with that life long and not wanting to leave it to the machinations of society", to feel otherwise... but i can see reasoning... what about "change of heart" in a rape or incest situation? initial thought is to carry baby to term then change mind... i dunno... i am soooooo glad i never had to make that decision.... i like the children in my world more so than the dumb ass adults....
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this is why it should be a decision between a woman and her doctor. only THEY know all the facts and only they know what they can live with. I certainly would never tell anyone what they should do in such a situation.

this is unacceptable to the bully religious cocksuckers because THEY think they know Everything and are Always right about Everything
 
Karlos said:
The problem with this is the already existing legal right to life. If you decide there doesn't need to be any such law on the upper limit for termination dates, you are implicitly stating that this right to life begins only at birth and cannot apply sooner.
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oh no... its actually because i believe otherwise that im willing to allow it... i dont even pretend to know when life begins... tho ive certainly given it much thought....
 
wonder what world exists where the wills of gods are affected and /or thwarted by the wills of men... good day rummy.... you still owe me an apology....
 
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