Benefits of Socialism

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"I read "Benefits of Socialism" from cover to cover, without putting it down. In my opinion, this may be the most illuminating book on the topic, ever." -Kate McMillan @ smalldeadanimals.com

"It's so deep, so profound, I was as speechless as the book is textless, it can't be put in words." -Sylvia Gadabout

"Socialism is tolerance, it is peace. Some turn their backs on peace by shunning socialism. In the name of tolerance and for the sake of peace we must destroy these people." -Hillary Carbon

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kinda funny... no ism is perfect... if it were wed all have one.... every form of government designed by men comes with flaws... gleefully you fellers pick on one or two specifically, about once a week, the rest of the time is spent complaining about how ours is failing us... :D... nice!!!
 
The strange thing about the Social-ism people though is they never have the conviction of their own rhetoric. They always tell you the benefits of Social-ism, yet they would never think of actually emigrating to said utopia.

They want you to do the changing. You, to make their life better by sharing your wealth, no matter how small.
You will notice that their complaints are always against anyone or any country that has succeeded beyond their level.

If they spent as much time trying to improve their own lives as they spend complaining about their perceived injustice of other people having more than they do, they wouldn't be so miserable. But Socialists love being miserable, and I love watching them be miserable. Just don't try to make me join that club.
 
Fade said:
The strange thing about the Social-ism people though is they never have the conviction of their own rhetoric. They always tell you the benefits of Social-ism, yet they would never think of actually emigrating to said utopia.

They want you to do the changing. You, to make their life better by sharing your wealth, no matter how small.
You will notice that their complaints are always against anyone or any country that has succeeded beyond their level.

If they spent as much time trying to improve their own lives as they spend complaining about their perceived injustice of other people having more than they do, they wouldn't be so miserable. But Socialists love being miserable, and I love watching them be miserable. Just don't try to make me join that club.
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it isnt even that and im sorry to be the one to tell you, but socialism is like prison ass rape, your against it until youre for it. want the fire dept to show up when ur trailer is on fire? like driving your camper down uniformly paved roads? congrats... ur a socialist... at least part time... i am too... we just disagree where the cut off point is.
 
Ha! Call the next fireman you see a Socialist, and see what that gets you.
You have a very strange concept of a true Socialist state.
 
Fade said:
You have a very strange concept of a true Socialist state.
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A somewhat ironic statement given your previous comment:

The strange thing about the Social-ism people though is they never have the conviction of their own rhetoric. They always tell you the benefits of Social-ism, yet they would never think of actually emigrating to said utopia.
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If you really think there is a true Socialist state that socialists should emigrate to, then I'm afraid it is you that has the strange concept of a true Socialist state.
 
robert l. bentham said:
it isnt even that and im sorry to be the one to tell you, but socialism is like prison ass rape, your against it until youre for it. want the fire dept to show up when ur trailer is on fire? like driving your camper down uniformly paved roads? congrats... ur a socialist... at least part time... i am too... we just disagree where the cut off point is.
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I LOVE my newly paved street!!
it's like driving on a pillow.

When the fellas were out milling and paving I ran out into the street and screamed "I AM A SOCIALIST!!!!"
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ok, i didn't but for the sake of this thread just make believe I did :lol:
 
cecilia said:
When the fellas were out milling and paving I ran out into the street and screamed "I AM A SOCIALIST!!!!"
ok, i didn't but for the sake of this thread just make believe I did :lol:
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Property taxes paid for repaving that street

If socialism had paved the street, you and your neighbors would have conscripted, given shovels and paved it yourselves

 
metalman said:
Property taxes paid for repaving that street

If socialism had paved the street, you and your neighbors would have conscripted, given shovels and paved it yourselves
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Socialism has a number of different meanings. I can't think of one that means that an individual must take part in every single aspect of society at all times, as you would have us believe.

Libertarian Socialism is worker's direct control over production. So certainly in this case of socialism there could be no mandated conscription.
 
faethor said:
Socialism has a number of different meanings. I can't think of one that means that an individual must take part in every single aspect of society at all times, as you would have us believe.
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The socialist organization of production also means forcing workers to change profession. The power to move labor to the places where it most needed is a requirement of socialism
 
metalman said:
Property taxes paid for repaving that street

If socialism had paved the street.....
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It did. Using taxes to pay for communal infrastructure is a form of socialism.

This reminds me of a discussion on here (or maybe AO) a few years ago.
All those who claimed to hate socialism had a completely different definition of what socialism is from those who could see it's benefits.

The problem is exacerbated when those criticising people for favouring socialism think they also get to define the word, effectively dictating to others what it is that they are supposed to be in favour of.
Such behaviour is either illogical, disingenuous or both.
Either way it makes any debate completely pointless.

Same thing seems to happen with 'liberal' and 'progressive'.
 
Robert said:
It did. Using taxes to pay for communal infrastructure is a form of socialism.
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Maybe, Maybe not depends on the details

Even under Capitalism, public works projects occur.

In the Capitalistic system, the government collects the property, income and sales taxes for use on public projects. It has city work crews that do daily maintenance projects, e.g. pothole repair. Repaving a street is considered a capital works project, and is put up to bid by private firms. The winning bidder then purchases the needed resources and uses its own workers and equipment to complete the project

In a socialist system the government would own the paving equipment, and move the needed labor from its own labor pool and resources to complete the repaving project with out using any private labor or equipment
 
metalman said:
Even under Capitalism, public works projects occur.
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In which case I would argue that it is not true capitalism but a system which utilises both philosophies to varying degrees.

There are no true capitalist states, much in the same way that there are no true socialist states.
 
Fade said:
Ha! Call the next fireman you see a Socialist, and see what that gets you.
You have a very strange concept of a true Socialist state.
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Discrediting a concept like socialism by taking it to it's extreme level is not fair. That's like saying a hockey team that focuses only on defense never wins because they never score a goal so therefore we should abandon defense entirely. The fact is, a team that focuses only on scoring goals and ignores defense will also suffer a similar fate. Balance is what's needed and it turns out there's a time and place for socialist practices, but socialism may not be ideal for all things at all times.
 
Robert said:
There are no true capitalist states, much in the same way that there are no true socialist states.
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Not true
The 19th century US or 20th century Hong Kong are both good examples of laissez-faire capitalism although both had very different types of governments

 
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