Boris Johnson elected PM

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The globalist Google machine is only linking me to hit pieces savaging him, same as they do with Trump. Anyone here want to take a stab at explaining him in reality?
 
redrumloa said:
.. same as they do with Trump.
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To be fair, there are quite a few similarities:
Very effective politician and serial liar from a privileged and wealthy background who has no problem opportunistically pandering to the loonie-hard-right even though it's debatable whether he himself genuinely feels that way.
A polarising figure, with around half the country loving him and the other half thinking he's a self-serving, acutely-narcissistic cretin.
He is also not immune to making unfortunate, cringeworthy utterances.
And he has funny hair.

Apart from that they're nothing like each other.

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Just saw this thread of Tweets which is reasonably close to how I expect things to go with Boris at the helm.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1154286327699005440
 
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People like Johnson are not interested in a sincere discussion so that's why you only find strongly opinionated one-way rants.
That's called 'polarization'.
I saw him stutter when confonted by a Muslim about an anti-Islamic tirade of his. If he was honest he'd have seriously defended his opinion. Even I could've done a much better job at that even though the opinion isn't mine.
The same here with Baudet and Wilders here in the Netherlands. They're only interested in creating a certain tenor.

Truly a pity as both left and right need people who actually ARE able to discuss like civilized people and listen carefully to each other.
If you look at the discussions a couple of decades ago it's toe-bending shameful how deteriorated it is now.

Meanwhile Putin has a blast looking how the once mighty west tears itself apart. Brexit is really a major win for Putin and no one else.
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
If you look at the discussions a couple of decades ago it's toe-bending shameful how deteriorated it is now.
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Hear hear. Turns out pandering to the lowest common denominator is actually the most fruitful route to success. Modern politics is utterly depressing.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
I disagree. Boaty McBoatface was the winner, the boat should have that name. Love Sir David, but the will of the people should be respected.
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You disagree with the joke? Good for you. I heartily agree with you; M'on the Boris McBorisface!
 
Now Ive got the mental image of Thomas the Tank Engine but a boat and with Boris Johnson's face.
Thanks.
 
as near as I can figure the main difference between trump and Boris is that Boris can actually form complete sentences. That doesn't make him smarter or better. It's just interesting.

I have this feeling that Boris being PM may force Scotland to insist on Independence.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
They don't want independence. They want to be part of Europe.
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Such overly-simplistic and misleading generalisations can be funny. Just like those voting to leave the EU.
They don't want independence. They want the 51st state to be even more of a slave to the US master.
Hilarious to some but not particularly helpful or informative.

More seriously, there is no real prospect of Scots voting for independence for the foreseeable. I fear that ship has sailed, more due to SNP incompetence than any external politics.
 
Robert said:
More seriously, there is no real prospect of Scots voting for independence for the foreseeable. I fear that ship has sailed, more due to SNP incompetence than any external politics.
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I would hold off on making predictions about it for a few months. This may not be the most likely scenario but if Boris and his cohorts are not merely posturing, as most reasonable people expect, and will manage to crash the UK out of the EU near the end of the year somehow, the pound will lose value very quickly, consumer goods will get around 10% more expensive within weeks and salaries will stay depressed for years as it will take businesses years to make up for lost revenue due to higher trade barriers. (Trade deals will the US and Australia will take years to work out so there is no way to quickly compensate for reduced sales to the European mainland.)

A no-deal Brexit may very well be enough to make people vote for independence. In highly uncertain times, people are less afraid of making potentially risky decisions, such as leaving the United Kingdom. Moreover, during the last referendum, the people living in Scotland had a choice between remaining in a flawed but long-lasting and stable relationship or taking the risky step of venturing into unknown waters. In a new referendum, the roles could be flipped. A vote for independence would equal a vote for ensuring that the people and businesses in Scotland would continue to benefit from being a part of the European Union as they have for many decades. On the other hand, a vote for "remain in the UK" would be a vote for staying on a ship heading into unknown waters, which an overwhelming majority of experts claim are treacherous, and following the orders of a dubious captain such as Boris Johnson, who is generally perceived as a far more polarizing and unpredictable leader than Cameron was.

Put differently, a vote for independence would be the real "Better Together" option this time around.
 
JoBBo said:
... if Boris and his cohorts are not merely posturing, as most reasonable people expect...
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Of course that would change things but, as you say, seems an unlikely outcome as things stand.
As an aside, Johnson is making his first visit to Scotland as PM today and is promising sweeties if we play nice.

A no-deal Brexit may very well be enough to make people vote for independence.
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It may well be but I'm not so sure.
I say that as someone who has been in favour of independence all my life so I may be overly pessimistic but I've watched the movement grow, peak then wane, and the current trajectory seems to be plateauing at best, if not downward.
Over the last 40 years, it went from an insignificant bunch of campaigners to a minor party to a minority government in favour to a majority government in favour and peaked with the 2014 referendum.
It has since regressed to minority government in favour and seems to be continuing to decline, despite numerous open goals to increase support. The main problem as far as I can see, is that the SNP, rather than reaching out to the 55% who voted no in 2014, have instead been actively alienating them. These tactics are beyond idiotic but five years later, they are still flogging the same horse. Furthermore, since 2014, the greater independence movement has fragmented and is now characterised by infighting and a bunch of unhinged and loudly whining cranks who freak out every time they see a Union flag on anything they claim should be Scottish.
It's pathetic, depressing and turns people away.
I'm still in favour of Scotland leaving the UK but I want nothing to do with those crackpots and can no longer bring myself to vote SNP.

No deal brexit could perhaps overcome all of this but:
a) no-deal still seems unlikely.
b) even if it happens, I doubt it would be enough.

The question I've been asking myself is, would I take a no-deal brexit if it meant Scotland leaving the UK?
On balance, yes, I would, even though I have lots of friends living in England who really would not want either of those things. Alas, I'm a selfish bastard. ;)
 
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sadly, I don't think people outside the US can watch this, but it's hilarious and horrifying at the same time. And it's probably the best explanation of who Boris is:

 
FluffyMcDeath said:
it isn't why people wanted to leave the EU.
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Yet you claim to know the reason people voted to leave the UK was because they don't want to be independent?
How can you be so omniscient about the motivations of one group and simultaneously so ignorant about the other?
 
Robert said:
Yet you claim to know the reason people voted to leave the UK was because they don't want to be independent?
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What is your read on the sentiment? Do they want to be independent - or do they want to stay in the EU?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
What is your read on the sentiment? Do they want to be independent - or do they want to stay in the EU?
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Again with the generalisations. You are educated enough to understand the concept of nuance.
 
Robert said:
Again with the generalisations. You are educated enough to understand the concept of nuance.
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Married bachelor. Square circle.
If you object to being ruled from Westminster (instead of Edinburgh) but not from Brussels (still instead of Edinburgh), then it's not about being sovereign but who to be vassal to.
 
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