California is an embarrassment to the union.

[faethor]

It seems you seem to think there is a grand conspiracy to keep certain minority groups from being mentioned at all in history, like a whitewash.

If you read the existing law and the comments on California text books they indicate minority contributions are ignored. I doubt it's a conspiracy but it is indeed and oversight that should be corrected.

Speaking for my own education, even with Minnesota towards the top of educational rankings, K-12 failed to teach much of anything in the way of minorities. Yeah we knew a couple of big ones, like you mention, but nothing whatsoever about gays, asians, mexicans (except they killed everyone at the Alamo), etc.

 

[redrumloa]

2012 is a year celebrating a gay's contributions to the world - Alan Turning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing_Year

Funny how the Wikipedia link you provide does not mention anything about his sexual preference, Whyzzat? I thought in the new more sensitive world that his sexual preference was more important than his contributions?

In related news Red choked on his morning sausage and eggs.

How crass and uncouth.

 

[the_leander]

Funny how the Wikipedia link you provide does not mention anything about his sexual preference, Whyzzat? I thought in the new more sensitive world that his sexual preference was more important than his contributions?

How crass and uncouth.

Pot, kettle, black.

Also, you might want to check the wiki link for Turing himself rather than Alan Turing year.

 

[redrumloa]

Also, you might want to check the wiki link for Turing himself rather than Alan Turing year.

I'm not the one who provided the link

 

[the_leander]

I'm not the one who provided the link

And that has precisely what to do with what you said?

Note the lack of smiley.

 

[faethor]

Funny how the Wikipedia link you provide does not mention anything about his sexual preference, Whyzzat? I thought in the new more sensitive world that his sexual preference was more important than his contributions?

The link contains some of the organizations who will celebrate his life. It does not contain all the details of his life. If you want details you need to look elsewhere.

How crass and uncouth.

What is crass and uncouth is your desire to maintain ignorance of students by failing to discuss the lives of people. History is more than memorize this date. Your written view here comes off no different than the bigoted parents demanding they pull their kids from history class should a minority be mentioned. I think you'll agree it's left such a bad taste in your mouth.

 

[redrumloa]

The link contains some of the organizations who will celebrate his life. It does not contain all the details of his life. If you want details you need to look elsewhere.

The irony in your statement is so thick, you could cut it with a knife.

What is crass and uncouth is your desire to maintain ignorance of students by failing to discuss the lives of people. History is more than memorize this date. Your written view here comes off no different than the bigoted parents demanding they pull their kids from history class should a minority be mentioned. I think you'll agree it's left such a bad taste in your mouth.

Pulling children is a parental right. You may find it stupid, I may find it stupid, but it is their right. You really think changing curriculum to emphasize on people's sexual preference (or handicaps) is going to stop parents from pulling their children?

I still find it amazing that you think someone's sexual preference is their contribution to society. Then again, weren't you also in favor of teaching sex ed to Kindergarten students?

 

[faethor]

The irony in your statement is so thick, you could cut it with a knife.

It's you comparing a movie poster to the actual movie and wondering why the acting isn't mentioned.

Pulling children is a parental right. You may find it stupid, I may find it stupid, but it is their right. You really think changing curriculum to emphasize on people's sexual preference (or handicaps) is going to stop parents from pulling their children?

I never said it wasn't a right. Freedoms, if anything, gives one the right to be stupid. One of the great things about this nation is people have the right to offend and be offended. So of course we shouldn't water down information to protect those who want to be ignorant.

I still find it amazing that you think someone's sexual preference is their contribution to society. Then again, weren't you also in favor of teaching sex ed to Kindergarten students?

Someone's sexual preference is part of what makes them a person and it's that person, as a whole, that contributes to society. It doesn't take much work to discuss that it's not always rich white guys. If we are to be the 'Great American Melting Pot' we need to understand other's differences.

As for Kindergarten there is certainly a level of sex ed that should be taught. Humans start developing gender roles before they're 3, they develop a curiosity of birth and relationships before they are 6. It is likely good for others, including parents, to teach boundary limits of other kids and adults. For example, if they learn it's wrong for adults to touch their privates perhaps more kids would have been less embarressed and more talkative about their Catholic Priest experience. Like any subject a level of material appropriate to the ability of the person to handle it should be respected. For example, Math should be taught but we don't start out with Calculus in Kindergarten.

So yeah I'm fairly consistent - Knowledge is power.