Caught "Red" Handed!

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The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in NJ fearing they needed a 5% advantage in order for Democrat Rep. John Adler to hold on to his seat, thought it would be a good idea to put up a third candidate to siphon away votes from the Republicans.

What do they do?

They recruit an unknown. The candidate is Peter DeStefano, a picture framer from Mount Laurel. On Nov. 2, he will be the "NJ Tea Party" candidate.

Win at all cost! It's the Democratic/Socialist way!
 
Using their own tea party against them. I'm surprised it took this long.
 
Fade said:
Win at all cost! It's the Democratic/Socialist way!

S'funny, of the two parties, it is the Republicans who have the well earned reputation for dirty tricks campaigns.

Must burn like hell to see it fall to the Democrats having to effectively cut away the cancer that is the Tea Party out of the GOP.

Perhaps if the Republicans started courting the centre right instead of playing seriously disingenuous games with the hearts and minds of the far right religious wingnuts, the rest of the world wouldn't collectively shit itself every time Obama drops a point.
 
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"S'funny, of the two parties, it is the Republicans who have the well earned reputation for dirty tricks campaigns."
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Now that's rich.

Fisher, you know about as much about the Republican party as Cecilia knows about math! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Fade said:
Now that's rich.

Fisher,

No, you call me Mr Fisher or use my nick. You haven't nearly earned the right to be so informal.

Fade said:
you know about as much about the Republican party

Really? So if I were to google, oh, I don't know... Karl Rove dirty tricks and hit I feel lucky, what could I expect to find? Oh look, a list of his crowning achievements!

I've no doubt the Democrats can be damned dirty when the mood suits them. But from what I can see it is the Republicans that use attack lines as the default setting and under Rove, have taken it to the level of art form.
 
the_leander said:
moron said:
Now that's rich.

Fisher,

No, you call me Mr Fisher or use my nick. You haven't nearly earned the right to be so informal.

moron said:
you know about as much about the Republican party

Really? So if I were to google, oh, I don't know... Karl Rove dirty tricks and hit I feel lucky, what could I expect to find? Oh look, a list of his crowning achievements!

I've no doubt the Democrats can be damned dirty when the mood suits them. But from what I can see it is the Republicans that use attack lines as the default setting and under Rove, have taken it to the level of art form.
rove is a criminal.
the fact that he hasn't been convicted is a tragedy
 
Sorry Fisher, nobody died and made you boss of word usage.
That kind of "arrogant command" might go over in Scotland, but our freedom of speech started in 1776, and it's now in the DNA of Americans. You hang a handle out there, expect it to be used.



As for using Google for your example; let's do.

Karl Rove dirty tricks-- Google hits = 43 thousand.

Obama dirty tricks-- Google hits = 359 thousand.

Republican party dirty tricks-- Google hits = 213 thousand.

Democratic party dirty tricks-- Google hits = 862 thousand.

Do your own search and then read-em and weep.

Next time you might want to put a little more effort in your research before putting your foot in your mouth.
 
Fade said:
Sorry Fisher, nobody died and made you boss of word usage.
Who died and made you king of rudeness? You say that it is arrogant to state that you do not appreciate how you are addressed? How much more arrogant it is to say that you don't have to respect Alan's wishes about how he is addressed. You may whine about your rights (you sound like a liberal) to do so but Alan has every right to object and when you don't respect that you show yourself to be nothing more than a loudmouthed bully.

As for using Google for your example; let's do.

Karl Rove dirty tricks-- Google hits = 43 thousand.

Obama dirty tricks-- Google hits = 359 thousand.

Republican party dirty tricks-- Google hits = 213 thousand.

Democratic party dirty tricks-- Google hits = 862 thousand.

Which merely goes to show that Republicans complain more than Democrats do. They own more media outlets and the Republican echo chamber is bigger and more credulous than the Democrat's.

Simple hit-counts do not tell the story about who has dirtier tricks since most articles are duplications of the same tricks. What's needed is a side by side comparison of dirty tricks. In thinking about them, though, the ones that come first to mind tend to be mostly Republican.

Of course there is reason to believe that JFK had his dad to thank for some key election successes. He was a Dem. That's likely true. Of course, JFK was later killed in office. He undoubtedly had made some enemies - so had his brother.

Nixon had his plumbers. Nixon was Republican. That little dirty trick eventually blew up when the cover up failed.

It was the republican George H.W.Bush with Gates negotiated with the Iranian hostage takers to hold onto the American hostages until after the Carter/Reagan race so as to not give Carter a boost going into the polls. This "October Surprise" is now pretty well documented though Republicans still like to claim otherwise.

Reagan's Contras was not a dirty trick in the sense of election fiddling but it certainly was dirty and though the details are pretty much known now they managed to avoid serious consequences by guiding the investigation (a la Warren Commission, a la 9/11 Commission, etc. because that's what these commissions are for).

The voter purges in Florida were a classic dirty trick and illegal. Most of the purged voters were not felons but were black. The supreme court selection of George Bush was clearly partisan and also the political connections in Florida that allowed the vote recount to be canceled was dirty. That was Republican.

The mysterious glitches in unverifiable voting machines in 2004 and the sudden failure of exit polls to predict what they had always been able to predict before (where errors exclusively favoured the Republicans) was highly suspicious and the subsequent move to ban exit polling so as never to have to answer these awkward questions again was also Republican.

The voter caging of 2004 and the phone jamming and fake announcements in Democratic districts of changes in polling stations and polling dates were all Republican dirty tricks.

In the mind of Republicans, going out and getting as many people to vote for your candidate the way the Democrats do it is a dirty trick - but preventing people who are likely to vote Dem from getting to the polls, or failing to count their votes afterwards are considered fair game.
 
Both parties, of course, have their dirty tricks. Though we know a Republican President was ousted because of theirs. Also, weren't the Republicans censured against their illegal campaign tactics?
 
So now you're going to try to defend his hissy-fit because I dared to use the name he displays on every post. Give me a break. If he doesn't want it used, he should remove it.


And as for that Google pitch: he threw it out there, I just hit it.

Here's a thought Fluffy. Spend an equal amount of time telling us about the joys of socialism. Google hits = 1,040,000 It's a lot more entertaining.
 
Fade said:
So now you're going to try to defend his hissy-fit because I dared to use the name he displays on every post. Give me a break. If he doesn't want it used, he should remove it.

You're not that stupid. You know what the problem is. You just have problems accepting responsibility for it. That aside, he's indicated his preferred address so let's just get on to listing the dirty tricks, shall we?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Fade said:
So now you're going to try to defend his hissy-fit because I dared to use the name he displays on every post. Give me a break. If he doesn't want it used, he should remove it.

You're not that stupid.

I don't think he is either, just rude.

Then again, anyone who repeatedly claims:
Socialist/Liberal/Progressive philosophy: You can make the "Poor" rich by making the "Rich" poor.

Is leaving their intellect open to question.

But again, I don't think he's really that stupid.

The ironically arrogant accusations of arrogance made me smile though.
 
Robert said:
FluffyMcDeath said:
Fade said:
So now you're going to try to defend his hissy-fit because I dared to use the name he displays on every post. Give me a break. If he doesn't want it used, he should remove it.

You're not that stupid.

I don't think he is either, just rude.

Then again, anyone who repeatedly claims:
Socialist/Liberal/Progressive philosophy: You can make the "Poor" rich by making the "Rich" poor.

Is leaving their intellect open to question.

But again, I don't think he's really that stupid.

The ironically arrogant accusations of arrogance made me smile though.

I don't know about anyone else, but I've found this thread quite instructive as to Fade's personality.
 
the_leander said:
I don't know about anyone else, but I've found this thread quite instructive as to Fade's personality.
I came to this conclusion quite a long time ago.

:mrgreen:
 
the_leander said:
Fade said:
Win at all cost! It's the Democratic/Socialist way!
Must burn like hell to see it fall to the Democrats having to effectively cut away the cancer that is the Tea Party out of the GOP.

Perhaps if the Republicans started courting the centre right instead of playing seriously disingenuous games with the hearts and minds of the far right religious wingnuts, the rest of the world wouldn't collectively shit itself every time Obama drops a point.

You better start buying Kaopectate, because the Tea Party agenda is about to wipe out the Party of the Jackass in a tsunami similar to '94

Two-thirds of Americans believe gov’t not operating with “consent of the governed”
 
metalman said:
FluffyMcDeath said:
Using their own tea party against them. I'm surprised it took this long.

The Party of the Jackass has tried it in 3 other states already

Really? Please elaborate.

That is interesting - and revealing. So when you tell people that you are working for the middle class they will vote for you. If you tell people that the other guys are working against the middle class they will vote for the other guy. This implies that people are stupid and can't comprehend what's being said. They seem, instead to be drawn to "action" so whoever is described as active, no matter what the activity is, they'll vote for them.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
metalman said:

That is interesting - and revealing. So when you tell people that you are working for the middle class they will vote for you. If you tell people that the other guys are working against the middle class they will vote for the other guy. This implies that people are stupid and can't comprehend what's being said. They seem, instead to be drawn to "action" so whoever is described as active, no matter what the activity is, they'll vote for them.

Carville is trying to find a message, to make the jackass seem like a racehorse, and people aren't buying it.

Pat Caddell see's the bigger picture in his interview, its not the economy, it's the "party of the Jackass" ramming their health care bill, and then spending bill upon spending bill funneling money to unions, has created the opinion that the government is not operating with "consent of the governed". Its looking like '94
 
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