driving science into a dark era

FluffyMcDeath said:
There has also been a rise in cheating among students that has been partially blamed on increasing fees which makes failure more costly. When you have those kind of student loans to pay off you can't fail out to the food service sector - you need to get tenure.
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Statistics that imply you’re always better off with more education are highly misleading.

Spending 4 years to get a BA degree, and accumulating 4 years of student loans, to get the same job you could have had with no degree, doesn't make economic sense
 
The Discipline of Tending to Our Own Planet


We who are alive today are the trustees of this planet for future generations. We're failing in our responsibility to pass it on intact. We need a new Earth ethic that embraces our responsibility for fairness to each other and to the future. We need new ways of educating that do not simply accept the status quo. We need to trade in our patriotism for a globalhumatriotism. We need a new approach to economics based on what is truly precious - life and the conditions that support it.
Earth Day will have its greatest value if it reminds us to care for our Earth and each other all the other days of the year, individually and through our public policy. We need to inspire people throughout the world, young and old alike, with a vision of the beauty and wonder of the Earth that we can now enjoy, restore and preserve for future generations if we tend to our planet with the discipline of the little prince.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/8584-the-discipline-of-tending-to-our-own-planet
 
metalman said:
Spending 4 years to get a BA degree, and accumulating 4 years of student loans, to get the same job you could have had with no degree, doesn't make economic sense
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True but education often has more than just economic value.
 
Robert said:
True but education often has more than just economic value.
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True, both personally and to society.
But the question is how much arts education? at what cost?

How many graduates with a BA, MA, phD in Art History, Feminist, Minority studies are needed?
There are now more yearly graduates than total available jobs for these degrees.
The only economic path for BA degree's is as a ticket to Law School, which means, more debt, more time, and there is now an oversupply of lawyers ...

A lot of "personal enrichment" education could occur online at minimal or free cost now
 
Robert said:
True but education often has more than just economic value.
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don't you just love those morons who think 'getting an education' means memorizing words in books?

those are the douchebags who call anyone with an education a snob.

If I look at my own life I would have accomplished NOTHING without an education. And here's the really interesting bit: nothing I've used and learned in my career in the last 10/15 years even existed when I was busy getting my education.

That's because my education was not about memorizing a bunch of shit.
What I learned was HOW to LEARN. And HOW TO THINK.

years after I left school I figured out that I needed to learn how to use a computer in the mid 80's so that I would continue to have a career. There were no classes in computer graphics/animation. I had to figure it all out on my own. Fortunately, there was an Amiga helping the process. :D

but my point is that nothing specifically in school prepared me for that. However, my time in grad school where I learned how to conduct experiments did teach me how to be systematic, observant, respect raw data, and trust my natural intellectual talents.

my education made it possible for me to be a pioneer in this field. To be ambitious enough to say Yes to this new adventure.
And this technology - not to mention the talent to create with it - is making a shitload of money now.

anyone who doesn't see the real value of an education as simply an asshole...and jealous
 
metalman said:
True, both personally and to society.
But the question is how much arts education? at what cost?

How many graduates with a BA, MA, phD in Art History, Feminist, Minority studies are needed?
There are now more yearly graduates than total available jobs for these degrees.
The only economic path for BA degree's is as a ticket to Law School, which means, more debt, more time, and there is now an oversupply of lawyers ...

A lot of "personal enrichment" education could occur online at minimal or free cost now
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it could all be free... wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit... the long term socioeconomic benefit would be a treasure trove of savings in many other areas... law enforcement... social programs... come to mind...
 
robert l. bentham said:
a lot of degrees are worthless even up to and including MA... but when i saw this i realized it might go a little higher up than i had initially thought...

http://wlstorage.net/file/kent-hovind-doctoral-dissertation.pdf

by all means, please enjoy!!! :confused:
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:lol:

Someone who believes the Bible is literal rather than allegory or parables must therefore believe in creation.

that was pretty silly, but no sillier than the cultural Marxist re-write of history fluffy posted in the other thread

A bunch of suckers paying $45,290 in tuition and fees at Columbia to learn that Marxist rewrite of history is an equally worthless education, it only qualifies them for a future job as an #OWS protester
 
metalman said:
that was pretty silly, but no sillier than the cultural Marxist re-write of history fluffy posted in the other thread
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You could go back and try to critique it. Enlighten us, oh sage of the one true American history - which bits were wrong? Be specific - no more hand wavy - oh, it's just Marxist, see - because not everyone sees "it's Marxist" as an automatic win. You might have to do some work.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Be specific - no more hand wavy - oh, it's just Marxist, see - because not everyone sees "it's Marxist" as an automatic win.
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Indeed.
Capital, whilst rather dry and boring in parts, is nonetheless a very interesting book.
 
“At present, all the wealth of society goes first into the possession of the capitalist ... he pays the landowner his rent, the labourer his wages, the tax and tithe gatherer their claims, and keeps a large, indeed the largest, and a continually augmenting share, of the annual produce of labour for himself. The capitalist may now be said to be the first owner of all the wealth of the community, though no law has conferred on him the right to this property... this change has been effected by the taking of interest on capital ... and it is not a little curious that all the law-givers of Europe endeavoured to prevent this by statutes, viz., statutes against usury.... The power of the capitalist over all the wealth of the country is a complete change in the right of property, and by what law, or series of laws, was it effected?” [2]
The author should have remembered that revolutions are not made by laws.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch31.htm

funny how some things never change in spite of our "best" efforts....
 
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