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Speelgoedmannetje

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This all-American democrats vs. republican mudslinging really has gone nowhere.
I suggest every post regarding democrats or republicans are to be deleted, to clean up the crap on Whyzzat.
Wake up ppl, and get outside, get some fresh air. Do something else.
 
it's tedious, isn't it?

I spend way too much time everyday going through my mothers mail taking the political crap out to place in the recycling bin.

and it's ALL about HATE HATE HATE and GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY

american politics is bullshit and I am more tired of it than you are. Just consider yourself lucky that you don't live here with these rubes
 
What is the definition of someone that keeps making the same mistake over and over again? I don't think it is "rubes".

If you don't like reading about American politics then............





Wait for it............





Don't read the politics section. GOOD GRIEF!
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
This all-American democrats vs. republican mudslinging really has gone nowhere.
I suggest every post regarding democrats or republicans are to be deleted, to clean up the crap on Whyzzat.
Wake up ppl, and get outside, get some fresh air. Do something else.

Well, if you have an idea on what "else" to do better, please, by all means.. Spill. My life has gone awry and I'm just in that "lost man child" state of mind that might just be the ticket for the invention of a new world, even larger than former glories.
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
This all-American democrats vs. republican mudslinging really has gone nowhere.

The problem is that it's always posted in the wrong section. It should go in sports.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Speelgoedmannetje said:
This all-American democrats vs. republican mudslinging really has gone nowhere.

The problem is that it's always posted in the wrong section. It should go in sports.
true, I'd love to see the "Bread and Circuses" where Karl Rove is thrown to the lions :roflmao:
 
Cecilia I agree we are running short on lions.
 
Fade said:
What is the definition of someone that keeps making the same mistake over and over again? I don't think it is "rubes".

If you don't like reading about American politics then............





Wait for it............





Don't read the politics section. GOOD GRIEF!
The second word I wrote was "all-American". Directly followed by "democrats vs. republican mudslinging".
Is that the very definition of politics? I don't think so. I'm used to more civilised debate, you know, where people take time for each other's opinions?
 
I think I know what you mean, Eyso.

A lot of the recent stuff is pretty petty, with little actual debate.

Having said that, why don't you try and get a more thoughtful discussion going?
 
cecilia said:
it's tedious, isn't it?

I spend way too much time everyday going through my mothers mail taking the political crap out to place in the recycling bin.

and it's ALL about HATE HATE HATE and GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME MONEY

american politics is bullshit and I am more tired of it than you are. Just consider yourself lucky that you don't live here with these rubes
I sure can imagine that. :S
I only get once in 1, 2 (during local, national and European elections) years some political folders in which is written what their main political views are (we got lots of political parties here in NL)
 
Robert said:
I think I know what you mean, Eyso.

A lot of the recent stuff is pretty petty, with little actual debate.

Having said that, why don't you try and get a more thoughtful discussion going?
I, ehm, I know little of the content of American politics, or foreign politics at all :oops:
But there sure are some interesting debates and developments going on here in NL. Not all good :(
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
I, ehm, I know little of the content of American politics, or foreign politics at all :oops:
But there sure are some interesting debates and developments going on here in NL. Not all good :(

What's going on then?
Maybe we can get some opinions on some of it.

I'll certainly venture mine. (I'm normally so reserved but I'll make an exception. :lol: )
 
Robert said:
Speelgoedmannetje said:
I, ehm, I know little of the content of American politics, or foreign politics at all :oops:
But there sure are some interesting debates and developments going on here in NL. Not all good :(

What's going on then?
Maybe we can get some opinions on some of it.

I'll certainly venture mine. (I'm normally so reserved but I'll make an exception. :lol: )
Oh, the upcoming of Geert Wilders.
I wonder how there will be dealt with him next election, I think they do the same as the Belgians.
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
The second word I wrote was "all-American". Directly followed by "democrats vs. republican mudslinging".
Is that the very definition of politics? I don't think so. I'm used to more civilised debate, you know, where people take time for each other's opinions?
America has 1 more choice than Russia. This means the issue is either black or white, we have no grey. If you're not with us you are against us.
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
the upcoming of Geert Wilders.
I wonder how there will be dealt with him next election, I think they do the same as the Belgians.

I don't know a great deal about him, other than he apparently claims to espouse 'Judeo-Christian values' and was initially banned from entering the UK due to his far-right views.

What did the Belgians do?
(For some reason that made me think of It's a Knockout)
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
Oh, the upcoming of Geert Wilders.
I wonder how there will be dealt with him next election, I think they do the same as the Belgians.

Speel,

While I admit to not knowing much about him (other than the brief internet searches I just did) I have at least heard of him. IIRC he has been on the US news show 60 minutes (among others). As far as his beliefs, other than his apparent desire to outlaw selling the Koran and stop the "Islamification of Belgium / Europe", I find some of his apparent views inline with mine (at first glance anyway). I welcome your responses to my inputs below:

1. From the Wall Street Journal Opinion Page - "Then again, it's almost amusing to note that many of the same Islamic extremists who called Mr. Wilders a "dog" and would like to see him "tried by an Islamic court"—as one demonstrator told the BBC Friday—have also made an Arabic translation of Mein Kampf a hot-selling book throughout the Muslim world, including on London's Edgware Road." - Maybe he has a point? The above comment would seem to indicate so. I am not specifically defending what Geert apparently said, rather making the point that in this case at least, he comment may have some (indirect) validity. I can see how his statements would certainly be considered "politically incorrect" but he does seem to draw a crowd.

"It also strikes us as odd that Mr. Wilders, who advocates violence against nobody, should be a target of official opprobrium on the theory that the state has an over-riding interest in sparing the feelings of those who do advocate violence, whether implicitly or explicitly. Among the placards held aloft by Mr. Wilders's critics Friday was one that read "Islam will dominate the world: Freedom can go to hell." Perhaps the Home Office should take slightly greater alarm at this than anything Mr. Wilders has so far said or proposed." - An interesting observation IMO.

From the Wikipedia entry - "The Party for Freedom's political platform often overlap those of the assassinated Rotterdam politician Pim Fortuyn and his Pim Fortuyn List. It bases its ideas on a small government, law and order, and direct democracy ideological framework. It calls for a €16 billion tax reduction, a far stricter policy toward recreational drug use, investing more in roads and other infrastructure, building nuclear power plants, and including animal rights into the Dutch constitution." - Again, on the surface of the above statements, I find many of these platform "planks" to be similar to my own.

I realize that in general, Europeans tend to be far more open minded than the majority of Americans so I wish to ask, it is because Geert seems so "limiting" in his ideas that he is controversial in Belgium / Europe? Please explain.

Finally, my thanks to Speel for something new to talk about. :)

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
ltstanfo said:
I realize that in general, Europeans tend to be far more open minded than the majority of Americans so I wish to ask, it is because Geert seems so "limiting" in his ideas that he is controversial in Belgium / Europe? Please explain.
Well, in the 60's and 70's, there was some serious shortage of lower class labourers here in NL. So the government decided back than made it possible for foreigners (mainly from Morroco and Turkey) to enlist for these jobs. Many immigrants came here and stayed here. Everyone knows putting together two or more large groups of different ethnicities means trouble. So did our government, and they pushed hard on political correctness on the Dutch side in the 80's and 90's, but just solely on that and nothing else. But it didn't work out. There is some serious hate mongering going on here and Wilders is playing a big part in it, with calling for deportation of Muslims, and taxing headscarfs. He eerily resembles the 14 points of fascism, except for points 5, 13 and 14 (as for yet).

Oh, and Wilders is being supported by the Edmund Burke foundation.

Finally, my thanks to Speel for something new to talk about. :)

Regards,
Ltstanfo
You're welcome :)
 
ltstanfo said:
From the Wikipedia entry - "The Party for Freedom's political platform often overlap those of the assassinated Rotterdam politician Pim Fortuyn and his Pim Fortuyn List. It bases its ideas on a small government, law and order, and direct democracy ideological framework. It calls for a €16 billion tax reduction, a far stricter policy toward recreational drug use, investing more in roads and other infrastructure, building nuclear power plants, and including animal rights into the Dutch constitution." - Again, on the surface of the above statements, I find many of these platform "planks" to be similar to my own.
Ya, but you don't live there, so these "solutions" are to problems you know little about. That's just conservatism for the sake of conservatism.
 
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