Gaza

Yes, I've been watching the UK news coverage of this with increasing disgust. The all-too-transparent double standards of the UK government are enough to give you the boak.

As for George W. 'it's-all-Hamas-fault' Bush, everything has already been said about that sorry excuse for a human being.

I hate to see people being killed but I can't help a little bit of me hoping the Israelis meet the same resistance as they did when they last invaded Lebanon. Not that that's remotely likely.
 
I really haven't been watching the news much these past two weeks, but I'm guessing there's really not much new here: both sides accuse the other of starting senseless violence and both sides use that to justify their own attacks. Personally I have no respect for either side and if anything good comes from this I hope Fatah can gain strength from this somehow.

And you guys are right, it is sickening to see the US and others back Israel when Israel is far from innocent. Neither side should be backed and both sides should be reprimanded harshly.
 
What can the US do? No win situation as far as I see it.
 
redrumloa said:
What can the US do? No win situation as far as I see it.
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They could stop vetoing everything at the UN. That would be a good start.
 
Glaucus said:
if anything good comes from this I hope Fatah can gain strength from this somehow.
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Hmmm... looking at the utter contempt Fatah have always been treated with by Israel I'm not sure that would improve things.
 
U.S. ambassador to the UN, Zalmay Khalilzad, has received explicit instructions from his superiors at the State Department to torpedo any initiative proposed by the Arab bloc which is designed to grant the Security Council the status of an official arbiter that will have direct involvement with disentangling the Gaza crisis.

Haaretz
 
Robert said:
Glaucus said:
if anything good comes from this I hope Fatah can gain strength from this somehow.
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Hmmm... looking at the utter contempt Fatah have always been treated with by Israel I'm not sure that would improve things.
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A report in the Jerusalem Post said that Fatah supplied Israel with locations of Hamas' weapons storage, tunnels, bases, homes of its leaders.

After Hamas took over Gaza by force and kicked out the Palestinian Authority, if Fatah hates anyone more than Israel, it's Hamas.
 
Norwegian doctor in Gaza

You know the whole human shield argument is bogus. You know it's true that if the "human shields" were Jews then the IDF would be a lot more careful which shows that the IDF are really quite happy to kill Palestinian women and children and the song and dance about trying not to is a lie.
 
Tell me if I'm wrong about the above, metalman, when I say that if Hamas was hiding among Jews there'd be a lot less "collateral damage". Israel would be careful in that case, but they clearly aren't being that careful, are they, so they are lying when they say that they are being as careful as they can be.

Oh, pity us, we don't MEAN to kill babies, it's just we don't care if we do - so we do it.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Tell me if I'm wrong about the above, metalman, when I say that if Hamas was hiding among Jews there'd be a lot less "collateral damage". Israel would be careful in that case, but they clearly aren't being that careful, are they, so they are lying when they say that they are being as careful as they can be.

Oh, pity us, we don't MEAN to kill babies, it's just we don't care if we do - so we do it.
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As the Daily Mash puts it, Israeli F15s appear to be fitted with the latest school-seeking-missiles.

ISRAEL has agreed to open a corridor into Gaza for essential humanitarian supplies and then fire hundreds of missiles at it.

As the international community accused the Israelis of using a sledgehammer to crack a school, the Tel Aviv government pledged to increase both the level of aid to Palestinian civilians and attacks upon it.

A spokesman said: "We're happy to provide humanitarian supplies as long as you understand that anything going in or out of Gaza is a legitimate target. I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about that."

The Israeli airforce last night issued a map showing the route the aid convoys will take and the exact points where each truck will be blown to smithereens.
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/
 
all the politians in the middle east need to be spanked
 
Video: Dr Mads Gilbert talks to cameraman, rather than perform the necessary medical treatment to revive the child.

There's no point in doing CPR chest compressions if you're not also ventilating the patient's lungs. A ventilating bag is hanging by the head of the bed.

CPR chest compressions require 1-1/2 to 2 inches of chest deflection.

The Israelis should get a refund on that missile, it was a dud. A hellfire missile should have destroyed the entire house. That blast pattern looks more like a poorly made homemade pipe bomb.
 
Dennis Kucinich, a Democratic congressman for Ohio who voted against the bill said before the vote: "I'm hopeful that we do not support the inhumanity that has been repeatedly expressed by the Israeli army."

"We must take a new direction in the Middle East, and that new direction must be mindful of the inhumane conditions in Gaza".
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Mr. Kucinich simultaneously demonstrates once again why he was both the only US presidential candidate I could agree with and why he will never win.
Someone with apparent integrity.
 
Currently about 1 in every 220 people in Gaza have been either killed or injured. That's almost 1/2%. If the same rate of death occurred in the US population the death toll would be about 226,000 dead and 1.1 million injured.
 
Over 1000 dead, mostly civilians and hundreds of them children and still the press parrot the "we don't target civilians" propaganda as though it was in any way credible.
 
Robert said:
Glaucus said:
if anything good comes from this I hope Fatah can gain strength from this somehow.
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Hmmm... looking at the utter contempt Fatah have always been treated with by Israel I'm not sure that would improve things.
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And the US being a covert sponsor and 'supplier of arms' to Fatah hardly helps matters:
Vanity Fair has obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war. The plan was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America’s behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government from power. (The State Department declined to comment.)
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http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feat ... gaza200804
 
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