Gifford shooter was a drug using, Bush hating leftie

[redrumloa]

So much for the liberal media's touting of him being a listener to right-wing talk radio.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... And_Policy

"All he did was play video games and play music," said Tommy Marriotti, a high school friend. Mr. Marriotti said much of Mr. Loughner's free time was devoted to the school band. He wasn't especially political, Mr. Marriotti said, though he expressed frustration with the Bush Administration.

But around the 10th grade, Mr. Loughner seemed to have "a mental downfall" following his break-up with a girlfriend, said Mr. Montanaro, who responded to questions via email.

Mr. Loughner started acting strangely, Mr. Montanaro said, and "his friends changed from people like us to more, drug oriented people I suppose." He quit playing saxophone and was eventually ignored by his old friends. "Jared really became an outcast," he said.

Friends say by his junior year Mr. Loughner used drugs and his grades slumped. He didn't return for his senior year.

In 2007, the year he would have graduated from high school, Mr. Loughner was arrested in Pima County and charged with possession of drugs and drug paraphernalia, according to court records. His case was dismissed.

In a series of videos posted on YouTube since the end of November, Mr. Loughner raged against the government and the Constitution and discussed "terrorism."

There should be a lot of foot-in-mouth by the liberal media and some here, but there won't be. The fake idea he was a Palin supporter who listened to Glen Beck will still be promoted for political gain.

 

[redrumloa]

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/relate ... e_liberal/

Friend of Jared Laughner describes him as, " left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy

 

[Glaucus]

Here's a memo from homeland security. They link him to AmRen through his myspace and youtube accounts. AmRen is anti government, anti immigration and anti semetic. Gifford was part of the government, liberal on immigration and a Jew.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

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He wasn't especially political, Mr. Marriotti said, though he expressed frustration with the Bush Administration.

He's twenty-two. How many other administrations do you think he's really known. It was all Bush for his whole high school years. Also, I remember a certain redrumloa who has gone on record loudly complaining about the Bush administration. That make you a liberal lefty?

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

So much for the liberal media's touting of him being a listener to right-wing talk radio.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... And_Policy

From the same article

Mr. Montanaro recalled his friend developed "a hate for government and just how everything was systematic...He thought government controlled people too much."

"He thought government controlled people too much." eh? Well, yes, that WOULD make him a liberal.

 

[Robert]

Well, can't say this wasn't predictable:

My point is events like this should not be politicized...

... said Jim, before doing exactly that without even a hint of irony, much less embarrassment.

Funny.

Don't retreat - RELOAD!

:hammer:

 

[redrumloa]

... said Jim, before doing exactly that without even a hint of irony, much less embarrassment.

I wasn't the one who did it yesterday, I did the opposite. I am simply reacting to the ridiculousness on display. The claim was made he was "obviously driven by right wing rhetoric". I am simply pointing out this is not true.

Once something is politicized, should I ignore what is being said?

 

[redrumloa]

@Robert

Olbermann blames Palin for Gifford’s shooting
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz- ... s-shooting

I did not want to see this, but of course democrats never let a good tragedy go to waste. Come on Fluffy, where's your conspiracy theories here? You must see some connection, an inside job by the democrats to make the Tea Party look bad and get Obama re-elected in 2012?

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Once something is politicized, should I ignore what is being said?

That ain't the same thing, red. You can respond without politicizing - but that's not the GOP way. Always a strong offense. Shoot first, say you "regret that innocents got hurt" later.

 

[redrumloa]

Once something is politicized, should I ignore what is being said?

That ain't the same thing, red. You can respond without politicizing - but that's not the GOP way. Always a strong offense. Shoot first, say you "regret that innocents got hurt" later.

Unfortunate for your argument, no republicans were involved. Kind of makes your statement a little silly, doesn't it?

 

[redrumloa]

ABC News reported Saturday night that Loughner had identified among his favorite books “The Communist Manifesto” by Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler’s “Main Kampf” and the fiction classic “One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest”.

Yup, must have been a Palin supporter :roll:

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

@Robert
Come on Fluffy, where's your conspiracy theories here? You must see some connection, an inside job by the democrats to make the Tea Party look bad and get Obama re-elected in 2012?

Been there. Doesn't fit. It's a tough seat but they have it. Can they guarantee enough sympathy to win it back? Wouldn't it be better to wait for more turn around in the economy? Wouldn't it be better to sacrifice someone in a more winnable riding? If maybe just the 9 year old kid was killed (born Sept 11th, 2001 by the way) that would enrage the populace and leave the seat safe. I don't see the Dems putting a seat out at risk like that. Payoff is vary uncertain and it's not like they can spare them.

Besides, she was Jewish and the administration would steer way clear of shooting a Jew. The Democratic party is too Jewish to take a risk like that and besides, it wouldn't be Kosher. I'd expect if it was a ploy they pulled on themselves then a bunch of relative nobodies would have died (Oklahoma, WTC, etc). General rule is - you take out nobodies and blame the other guys or you take out the other guys directly. Unless you can show that Giffords was a liability and that the Dems have 100% chance of getting a better candidate in then I can't go with a "they did it to themselves" angle.

Now, if you want to see something strange go look at the post I did on the Giffords' youtube channel.

viewtopic.php?p=32318#p32318

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

ABC News reported Saturday night that Loughner had identified among his favorite books “The Communist Manifesto” by Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler’s “Main Kampf” and the fiction classic “One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest”.

Yup, must have been a Palin supporter :roll:

Full booklist - for your info:
Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

and "Palin supporter" is a strawman. It is not what is being said. What IS being said by serious people (not people desperately trying to deflect from their own bad behaviour) is that he was an unstable man and may have been influenced by the war-like rhetoric spewing from the right-wing echo chamber - a fact which you simply deny.

 

[Glaucus]

Now, if you want to see something strange go look at the post I did on the Giffords' youtube channel.

A link would be nice.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Once something is politicized, should I ignore what is being said?

That ain't the same thing, red. You can respond without politicizing - but that's not the GOP way. Always a strong offense. Shoot first, say you "regret that innocents got hurt" later.

Unfortunate for your argument, no republicans were involved. Kind of makes your statement a little silly, doesn't it?

You're just wriggling now. Straight up you can't stick to your own principles because you didn't say it as a principle of yours, you said it because you don't want other people to use the incident against your team. Well, tough luck. Your "team" have been dolling this stuff out for a decade so now some comes back. You get all butt-hurt about it because you think you are standing up for your team but your team doesn't give a rats backside about you and as soon as they get back in the driver's seat they'll get back to raping you. They don't know you, they don't care about you and they won't thank you for your work. You are an Uncle Tom. You are a middle class slave sticking up for the slave owners. Do you know what it's like to have a personal net worth of half a trillion dollars? No, and you never will, but you are happy to toady for those who do and the beauty of it is that you will never make a dime off it. You are working for free against yourself.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Now, if you want to see something strange go look at the post I did on the Giffords' youtube channel.

A link would be nice.

You missed the update.

I'll add it here as well.
viewtopic.php?p=32318#p32318

 

[Robert]

I wasn't the one who did it yesterday...

Even if that were true, I'm not sure it's an excuse.
"They did it first..." has never been a particulalry sound alibi.

I am simply reacting to the ridiculousness on display.

By a display of ridiculousness?

Once something is politicized, should I ignore what is being said?

If you expect anyone to take your original comment seriously (to be fair, I doubt very much if anyone on here did) then any other approach leaves you looking hypocritical, immature or both.

I was about to start out on an analogy there but I fear there is little point.
If you honestly still can't see how this looks absurd, there's nothing I or anyone else can say to change it.

 

[Robert]

Full booklist - for your info:
Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Interesting. I've read most of those myself.

 

[Glaucus]

Full booklist - for your info:
Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Interesting. I've read most of those myself.

Yes, but more interestingly, it looks like the types of books people in high school are told to read. Politics or history majors would certainly know of Mein Kampf or the Communist Manifesto.

 

[Glaucus]

Now, if you want to see something strange go look at the post I did on the Giffords' youtube channel.

A link would be nice.

You missed the update.

I'll add it here as well.
viewtopic.php?p=32318#p32318

Ah, ok, thanks. It's probably not that weird. Politicians tend to love all that social networking stuff so they "friend" everyone. If that guy sent her some kind of invite, she probably accepted it without much thought. Apparently he did meet her face to face at some point and perhaps they were even on good terms for some time. Who knows, maybe he was a normal person a couple years ago and since then something went wrong with his brain recently (he read Sarah Palin's book? heh, just kidding Red).