Global warming news for 2011

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Weather isn’t climate (unless it’s hot outside)

As Britons return to work today after a soggy Bank Holiday weekend, official weather data reveals that average temperatures were significantly down on recent years.

The UK’s average temperature from June 1 to August 15 was only 57F (13.9C) – the lowest for 13 years.

For central England the average was 59F (15C), making it the coolest summer since 1993.
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The Great Sea Level HumBug

The true facts are to be found in nature itself; certainly not at the modelling tables. Some records are interpretative. Others are quite clear and straightforward. I have often claimed that “trees don’t lie” (for example in Mörner 2007c), referring to the lonely tree in the Maldives, which indicated a stable sea level for the last 50-60 years (and therefore was pulled down by hand by a group of Australian “scientists” and IPCC boy-scouts). And also the trees on the beach in Sundarban, indicating a strong erosion but no sea level rise at all (Mörner 2007c, 2010a).
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BBC Announces Policy to Silence Global Warming Skeptics

British media mogul Rupert Murdoch has spent the past few weeks facing ethics inquiries as a result of his News of the World phone hacking scandal. Now British-government-owned media giant BBC is being questioned for its journalistic ethics in muzzling global warming skeptics in its taxpayer-funded broadcasts.

Because BBC believes skeptics' views "differ from mainline scientific opinion," the network plans to reduce airtime to the "minority" views. The Global Warming Policy Foundation, a think tank that serves to challenge the costly environmental policies countering a possibly fabricated problem, describes the attack on skeptics as "using the 'science-is-settled' mantra as a smokescreen to silence critics of climate taxes and green policies." Coming from a government-funded network, the political agenda the network is trying to push should be making the same headlines the News of the World scandal has created.
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No such thing. You keep telling us that.

But then you say it's not caused by humans.

This thing that isn't happening, well it's natural, so there.

MmmmmmHmmmmmm!
 
Anthropogenic Global Warming does not exist, natural fluctuations happen.

I hope this helps.
 
Weather isn’t climate (unless it’s hot outside)
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Interesting. Though North America and the northern hemisphere has seen one of the warmest summers ever. This is indicated by the arctic sea ice reaching passing the 2010 and 2008 levels of loss. Making this year 2nd smallest coverage measured. At this point it doesn't seem to be growing yet so it might even beat the 2007 #1 year of smallest ice coverage. One of the few times the Northern Sea Route and the Northwest Passage are open. So while the UK (fairly small) might be cool the larger and warmer arctic area probably more than offsets the difference. The USA has seen 2011 as the most costly year in weather events due to the abornmally high severe weather. BTW that didn't yet include Irene. Locally here in Minnesota we acheived our 10th warmest summer ever measured (back to the late 1800s) and for Sept we're seeing 10-15 degree warmer than average.

Now you did jump the gun just a little bit. The summer warmth for the US is released come mid-Sept. So give it a couple more weeks. I suspect we'll see the 1st or 2nd warmest summer measured. The reason I say this is some states, South Carolina for example, have already released their record setting year in warmth. Again the US is much larger than the Uk so the offset shouldn't be a problem.

That whole temp over time over area can be pretty tricky when you hang you hat on a very small area of the world being slightly cold for a short period of time. I'd recommend getting a big pot and a few dozen thermometers. Just as the first bubbles from boiling reach the surface. I'm sure you'll find while most is at the boiling point there area few cool areas. Though I doubt you'd say that means the pot is cooling.

BBC Announces Policy to Silence Global Warming Skeptics
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Yeah well the politics go on. But hey we've seen that ourselves here as the Republican candidates not only denied Global Warming they denied Evolution. I think it was Texas Gov Perry that even excused being wrong as ok because the church was against Galileo. Hmm, I think they might have some logic denial going on there too.

Though my next question for the Republican candidates is how old is the earth. Those that say 6K years should be immediated lead off stage and barred from public office, including city dog catcher, for life.
 
faethor said:
I think it was Texas Gov Perry that even excused being wrong as ok because the church was against Galileo. Hmm, I think they might have some logic denial going on there too.
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The church censured Galileo for interpreting the bible, not for his ideas on the solar system. The other scientists were against him for going against Aristotle’s ideas on moving bodies, they insisted that the science was settled! These scientists even refused to look thru his telescope to see moons circling Jupiter.
Galileo’s scientific colleagues were not interested in ideas, logic, & data, but dogma

Seems just like the dogma of the "religion of man made global warming"
 
metalman said:
These scientists even refused to look thru his telescope to see moons circling Jupiter.
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So they say. But it ain't so.
Galileo made his initial observations of the moons of Jupiter in mid 1610. His observations were confirmed by Jesuit observers and accepted.

As to heliocentrism, that was already an idea brought forward and developed by Copernicus and then Kepler (discounting, of course, such luminaries as 3rd Century Aristarchus) before Galileo championed the idea.

Galileo's colleagues were indeed interested (and the Jesuits supported him until he dissed the Pope and made it politically untenable for them to continue doing so).

Men of reason often have disagreements but his ideas and results were compelling though he wasn't always right. Science takes what works and puts aside that which doesn't and gradually improves our approximation of the universe. People who don't understand it like to think instead that it was pulled out of the backside of Einstein fully formed and then fed on the blood of babies by the high priests so that it may grow large and consume the god fearing people of the world - or something like that.
 
minator said:
So why are the fluctuations happening today so much faster than in the past?
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Because 6K years ago God made the planet to continually warm up and be comfy for people? (Why hasn't someone invented a sarcasm flag?)
 
"Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." --
Isaac Asimov
 
minator said:
So why are the fluctuations happening today so much faster than in the past?
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There have been at least five major ice ages in the Earth's geological history. Outside these ice ages, the Earth was mostly ice-free even in high latitudes.
 
redrumloa said:
The UK’s average temperature from June 1 to August 15 was only 57F (13.9C) – the lowest for 13 years.
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The news announced the USA numbers for the summer of 2011. The average temp was 74.5 degrees. This makes 2011 the 2nd hottest summer on record. The winner of #1 is still 1936 at 74.6 degrees. If you want to see what this offset in size is. UK is ~95K square miles. The USA is ~3.8M square miles.
 
minator said:
There are several hundred thousands years worth of ice cores that say otherwise.
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Like the medieval warming period followed up by the Little Ice Age which we are still recovering from?
 
Dammy said:
Like the medieval warming period followed up by the Little Ice Age which we are still recovering from?
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MWP and LIA never happened or were insignificant events, remember? wink wink
 
Dammy said:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...op-physics-group-over-global/?test=latestnews
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Personal testamonials have no validity in the arena of science. Clearly this topic is highly politicized so any small change no matter the correctness related to the change will make a big wave. Go back and read the article I posted from the astrophysicist that found the 'diamond' planet.

**Update** Turns out the Nobel Prize Winner has no background in Climatologist. He was a Solid State Physicist. Should we take a 'Nobel Prize Winner' statement as valid in a topic of science of which he's not an expert? Just because one has a Doctorate doesn't mean they can replace your failed kidneys'. **
 
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