Gov. Rick Scott doing what's best for the people of Florida

[Dammy]

BTW, think there will be any outcry in Florida telling Rick Scott not to go along with the "Obama" plan to forgive the mortgage crooks instead of pursuing justice and putting the guilty in jail where they belong? Even during that whole deregulated decade fraud was still illegal. Why is Scott siding with Obama? Think the talking heads on TV will ask him this question - even on Fox?

Good question. Will CNN/MSNBC ask Obama about this?

 

[faethor]

No no no, Bush who was leaving office in a few months, signed it. The TARP was created by the Democrats who controlled both House of Representatives and the Senate. It was Obama and his boys who administered the money as crony capitalism while Nancy and Harry smiled on.

If Bush truly didn't support this it was his job responsibility to veto. As it was his job to prosecute the actions of the bankers that happened on his watch. If crimes happened they happened while the Republicans were in power. Republicans should have started the investigations.

Nor was TARP and all and only Democratic legislation.
House, H.R. 1424 passed with the following breakdown of votes:
Democratic 172 Yea; 63 Nay
Republican 91 Yea; 108 Nay
Total - 263 Yea; 171 Nay
--- 45% of Republicans agreed.

In the Senate, H.R. 1424 passed with the following breakdown of votes:
Democratic 41 Yea; 10 Nay
Republican 33 Yea; 15 Nay
Total - 74 Yea; 25 Nay
-- 69% of Republicans agreed.

If Tarp's bad legislation at least 1/2 of the Republicans passed bad legislation and the Republican President signed it. While some of what you post about Dems is valid. This idea that Republicans are prefect and have no responsibility here is craziness.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Good question. Will CNN/MSNBC ask Obama about this?

Dammy, what made you think this was a good come-back? Honestly, you are typing to far ahead of your brain.
Why would CNN/MSNBC ask Obama why Rick Scott is going along with Obama's plan? They could ask Obama why he is letting the bankers off so lightly because that would be a question that Obama could (and should) answer, but they probably won't.

Then again, Fox News won't ask this question either.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

ROFL! They wanted Gore to win so badly, it was laughable coverage.

Considering that he actually did win despite massive vote rigging and inside political interference by his Dubya's brother who was Governor of Florida at the time and the fact that the Supreme Court had no jurisdiction to make the decision it made - yes, the coverage WAS laughable. The press outside of the US really did look into this event in some depth but the US media stayed away from it and took only a very superficial view - which is why you have the views you have. You live inside the propaganda well and you still parrot what you were told all those years ago. I live in a different propaganda well - or several since I read the news from a wide variety of sources which smooths out some of the more egregious biases - but that is why what I say sounds so bizarre to you - though I recognize where you are coming from because I've seen what you have been told.

Yet Lay was having birthday party in the White House and the media did pass on it during Enron. Oh wait, Lay did that when Clinton was in power. Funny that, huh? How about the other company, World Com? Oh wait, that was another big Clinton/DNC supporter.

Why do you think the Republicans tried to get Clinton out by a sex scandal. The blue dress was about the only scandal in Washington that the GOP didn't also have their DNA on too.

How does that compare with the 74 golfing outings Obama has had since he was sworn in?

Here's an opinion from a source that has no problem proclaiming it bias. Obama vs Bush vacations. You can poke about for the numbers yourself too. Of course, it's funny how even Fox has to use Dubya as the bad example which to compare Obama to, even if they are wrong.

Yet Congress who go the same bad intelligence report that Bush got voted for it. As did many other countries who's intel all said Saddam had WMD.

A myth that Americans still cling to. Most countries' intelligence communities did NOT believe Saddam had WMDs and said so. Even the US intelligence community didn't believe it and leaked this opinion. In Britain the "dodgy dossier" was widely derided as a propaganda document from the Blair government rather than an intelligence report and Dr David Kelly died over pointing that out.
The "intelligence" that Congress got came from Dick Cheney and the Office of Special Plans which cherry picked and confabulated information from such places as the forged Niger uranium document (which the CIA had already found to be a fake as had Wilson) and reports from "curveball" who the CIA had already determined was unreliable and a serial liar. The "intelligence" foisted on Congress was deliberately written to get the vote that Cheney wanted.

True, when is the last time Cindy Sheehan protest been televised? When is the last time video of coffins being offloaded hit the nightly news in America? Where is the out cry of innocent civilians being killed in Lybia from the media who did their best when Saddam put civilians in military targets? Is the nightly news still giving nightly body counts from Afghanistan/Iraq? Where is the near constant homeless reports we saw so many times under Bush when real homeless rates are through the roof with Obama?
They wouldn't have that capabilities if they didn't have the massive size and spending of the federal government backing them. I agree the US government is too large, too powerful and too overreaching. A government powerful enough to give you everything is powerful enough to take everything away.

And where are the "news reports" created by the White House and run as real news?
But Obama has done some remarkable work since he came in like pretending the US isn't fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq any more. No need to cover those stories if it "isn't happening". wink wink. No more stories on dead soldiers if the US "has left". No more attention to the protesters if it's "all over". And even in Libya Obama pretends it isn't a war and the US isn't involved. No, he's not better than Bush in any of these regards but he is a much better tactition.
The Obama policies are unchanged (and unhopeful) and a continuation of US policy as usual.

 

[Dammy]

Any comments on this one?

 

[Dammy]

Considering that he actually did win despite massive vote rigging and inside political interference by his Dubya's brother who was Governor of Florida at the time and the fact that the Supreme Court had no jurisdiction to make the decision it made - yes, the coverage WAS laughable.

You really should stick to Canadian politics since you have no clue what you are talking about. Palm Beach and Broward county (and to a much lesser extent, Dade) are controlled by democrats at the county level, including the Supervisor of Elections. Governor had zip to do with it, it was democrats that were in charge of the three recounts in those heavy democrat controlled counties that wanted Gore to win in the worst way. You know squat what happen here except what the left wing media has spun out as the truth. I lived in Palm Beach county for nearly two decades and I still work in Palm Beach county since my house is a whole mile away from the Martin Palm Beach county line. But that won't stop you living in another country to tell me what happened what played out in front of me, hour by hour.

A myth that Americans still cling to. Most countries' intelligence communities did NOT believe Saddam had WMDs and said so. Even the US intelligence community didn't believe it and leaked this opinion. In Britain the "dodgy dossier" was widely derided as a propaganda document from the Blair government rather than an intelligence report and Dr David Kelly died over pointing that out.

No, that's a myth of your leftist propaganda. Even the UN thought he had WMD which did turn up, just old stock piles.

The "intelligence" that Congress got came from Dick Cheney and the Office of Special Plans which cherry picked and confabulated information from such places as the forged Niger uranium document (which the CIA had already found to be a fake as had Wilson) and reports from "curveball" who the CIA had already determined was unreliable and a serial liar. The "intelligence" foisted on Congress was deliberately written to get the vote that Cheney wanted.

Except Wilson was completely discredited to the point even his own wife wouldn't back up his BS of his story. That is pretty sad his own wife wouldn't him up.

And where are the "news reports" created by the White House and run as real news?
But Obama has done some remarkable work since he came in like pretending the US isn't fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq any more. No need to cover those stories if it "isn't happening". wink wink. No more stories on dead soldiers if the US "has left". No more attention to the protesters if it's "all over". And even in Libya Obama pretends it isn't a war and the US isn't involved. No, he's not better than Bush in any of these regards but he is a much better tactition.
The Obama policies are unchanged (and unhopeful) and a continuation of US policy as usual.

He's just a tool of the elite, like Bush was.

 

[redrumloa]

So the question remains - what is Rick Scott going to do about his AG dropping investigations? Has he just rolled over and decided to go along with what the banks want?

Unless he steps up to the plate soon, that is exactly what he is doing. If he takes no action, he has rolled over and put his paws in the air.

 

[redrumloa]

BTW, think there will be any outcry in Florida telling Rick Scott not to go along with the "Obama" plan to forgive the mortgage crooks instead of pursuing justice and putting the guilty in jail where they belong? Even during that whole deregulated decade fraud was still illegal. Why is Scott siding with Obama? Think the talking heads on TV will ask him this question - even on Fox?

I'll have to go with a Fluffy-like theory here and say Rick Scott got the call stating if he knew what was good for the well being of him and his loved ones, he would conform.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Any comments on this one? [Alex Jones Video]

Alex is a bit of a lightning rod character and he's frequently over the top and sometimes hanging out near what I would consider unwarranted conclusions. Others have called him a nut or a loon but that's not really fair. He was calling out the Bilderberg group for years while they were still denying they existed but Bilderberg is almost mainstream news now.

In this video he is pretty close to right in broad strokes. Todays crisis wouldn't be the first time the banks have engineered or allowed a crisis by which to consolidate their power and acquire resources. Read John Perkins for how the US uses loan sharking to control South America and small countries for the benefit of US corporations for a good general outline of how the US uses debt as a strategic weapon for example.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

You really should stick to Canadian politics since you have no clue what you are talking about.

This is only a small demonstration of what you know compared to what people in the rest of the world know about what happened where you live. In Russia everyone knew that Pravda lied. The government owned news would never say anything against the interests of the government. In the US the media is owned by large corporations (with most outlets baring branding that doesn't indicate the true owner) and the news hates to cover anything that undermines the power of the corporate world and the financial interests of the owners.
Outside of the US media doesn't need to care as much about following along with US propaganda so we get slightly better news about the US. It's news about our own countries that is crap. The US, being the US, is reported on by everyone in the world but unfortunately for folks like me, Canada just isn't important enough to make much news abroad so home papers is all we have to go on.

 

[Robert]

A myth that Americans still cling to. Most countries' intelligence communities did NOT believe Saddam had WMDs and said so. Even the US intelligence community didn't believe it and leaked this opinion. In Britain the "dodgy dossier" was widely derided as a propaganda document from the Blair government rather than an intelligence report and Dr David Kelly died over pointing that out.
The "intelligence" that Congress got came from Dick Cheney and the Office of Special Plans which cherry picked and confabulated information from such places as the forged Niger uranium document (which the CIA had already found to be a fake as had Wilson) and reports from "curveball" who the CIA had already determined was unreliable and a serial liar. The "intelligence" foisted on Congress was deliberately written to get the vote that Cheney wanted.

As was pointed out repeatedly on AO long before, during and, here on Whyzzat, after the US led aggression against Iraq began.

That there are still some claiming to believe the Iraq BS despite the facts being readily available is rather depressing.
(I say claiming because I don't believe anyone with the wherewithal to connect to the web is genuinely still that ignorant, rather they just don't like admitting they were suckered. Whether this is conscious or sub- is a further question.)

 

[Dammy]

If Tarp's bad legislation at least 1/2 of the Republicans passed bad legislation and the Republican President signed it. While some of what you post about Dems is valid. This idea that Republicans are prefect and have no responsibility here is craziness.

Not saying there aren't progressive GOPers that need to go, there are. If TARP had to pass, it was a horrid piece of work that gave few, if any, well defined rules on how the money was to be spent. That allowed the new Admin to play with massive amount of money as they wished. TARP was bad, the Obama Stimulus was even worse, because that huge amount of money became apart of the baseline for future budgets. That is why there is $3.6T budget which we can only pay for $2T.

Even Jim Rogers think it's game over for the US:

 

[faethor]

Not saying there aren't progressive GOPers that need to go, there are. If TARP had to pass, it was a horrid piece of work that gave few, if any, well defined rules on how the money was to be spent. That allowed the new Admin to play with massive amount of money as they wished. TARP was bad, the Obama Stimulus was even worse, because that huge amount of money became apart of the baseline for future budgets. That is why there is $3.6T budget which we can only pay for $2T.

Okay well blame where blame is fair. If more than 50% of the Republicans went with the plan, and very importantly the President, there should be concern that neither party might have the best interests at heart.

As for blaming Obama don't forget President inherit the budgets and deficits of those that went before. Check out the CBO graph on http://www.whyzzat.com/threads/return-of-mass-layoffs.2266/page-2 ... You'll find Bush w/ $5Trillion in new spending. Obama has proposed, until 2017, $1.5 Trillion. It's politics to say an increasing at a rate that's 2/3s is worse. One must stop and ask would a McCain presidency resulted in. Would it still be at the elevated spending levels of the last Republican administration? I thinks signs are good that McCain would have spent more than Obama and would be closer to Bush.

Now this isn't to say I'd like to see spending increases stop or dwindle a bit. Whenever Republicans are not in office they demand lower spending. History shows that Republican, at least Presidents, do not lower spending. Under Reagan, for example, we tripled the national debt. Dems get called Tax and Spend - which actually is more conservative as this at least partially covers the increased spending. Republicans are Borrow and Spend. Much worse on our nation's balance sheet.