Guerrilla surveillance camera destruction hits the U.S.

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always the last to get in on a worthwhile trend... :cool:

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/15/guerilla_surveillance_camera_destruction_hits_the_u_s/


Camover have also recently announced a competition encouraging others to get involved. All you have to do to enter is think of a name that begins with the words “Brigade…” or “Command…” and that ends with the name of a historical personality, recruit a mob and smash up cameras. Then you send pictures and video evidence to their website, and they declare the winning footage.
 
Hate to say but my first react was "cool!".
 
“a diverse group of people: Shoplifters eluding capitalism who don’t want to be monitored"
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Thieves!

Why now have to have surveillance cameras in parks and cemeteries to keep them from stealing the brass plaques and brass flower holders

I just put up a hidden surveillance camera, have some rats to identify
 
metalman said:
Why now have to have surveillance cameras in parks and cemeteries to keep them from stealing the brass plaques and brass flower holders
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Metal theft is the sign of a third world economy.
 
metalman said:
also drug addicts a/k/a scrappers
and the 3rd world economy is just on the other side of the river ...
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Third world economies are marked by extreme disparities in wealth distribution with small numbers of people owning most of the wealth. Drug addiction is also something that rises in broken economies.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
I like them. There are some great anarchist communes in Tuscany and the anarchists were major opponents of Mussolini and the Fascists.
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The problem with anarchists is that they are opponents. They're great at opposing things. Problem is, you need to also provide alternative solutions and anarchists rate a big fat zero there. Overall I find them to be counter productive and undemocratic. Even when I am in agreement with what they oppose, I'd still rather they just fucked off. In fact, even more so.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Metal theft is the sign of a third world economy.
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That may have been true when metals were relatively cheap. That's no longer the case. It's the theft of cheap things that's the sign of a third world economy and most metals other than iron are expensive these days. Copper is the most well known stolen metal these days.
 
Glaucus said:
The problem with anarchists is that they are opponents. They're great at opposing things. Problem is, you need to also provide alternative solutions and anarchists rate a big fat zero there. Overall I find them to be counter productive and undemocratic. Even when I am in agreement with what they oppose, I'd still rather they just fucked off. In fact, even more so.
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That's not really the philosophy of anarchism at all,except that since anarchists tend to be individualists it's hard to find any two that will agree on what anarchist philosophy really is.
What they fundamentally oppose is coercion of the majority by a minority. The alternative is a more egalitarian arrangement and the means of achieving that are through voluntary associations and non-cooperation with oppression. The foundation of anarchism is freedom and self determination.

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Glaucus said:
That may have been true when metals were relatively cheap. That's no longer the case. It's the theft of cheap things that's the sign of a third world economy and most metals other than iron are expensive these days. Copper is the most well known stolen metal these days.
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Metal is still cheap ... if you are in the one percent. If the wealth were more evenly distributed copper would not be worth stealing because it would be affordable to all and the price of scrap small in comparison to other sources of income as to make it not worthwhile.

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There are good things about anarchist philosophies. But that's like saying religion is good because it's all about peace and love. The problem is that people take it upon themselves to impose their "philosophies" or "beliefs" onto others, often by force - and with the best intentions. We've defanged the church for the most part, but that was easy in comparison because they were centralized. The anarchists are much the same as they probably honestly believe they are acting in everyone's best interests, but they really have no clue.

I really have no respect for the red light cameras and would love to see them all destroyed. But I'd rather they be destroyed by common people who've decided to do it themselves than a bunch of hooded crusaders who think they're doing us a favor.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Metal is still cheap ... if you are in the one percent. If the wealth were more evenly distributed copper would not be worth stealing because it would be affordable to all and the price of scrap small in comparison to other sources of income as to make it not worthwhile.

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Copper is affordable to all except for the truly poor people. I'm not in the 1%, or anywhere near it, and I can walk into the Home Depot and buy lots of it. It's still used for cables and pipes, so it's not exactly a precious metal just yet. But, it's cost has gone up and if you get a few pounds of it without much effort it's an easier way to make some quick cash without hurting anyone (or yourself). The fact that it is being stolen is purely because it's been sitting out in the open for decades and people are starting to exploit that. When my dad shut down his bakery we gutted it to the concrete for renovations before renting out the space. We replaced all the copper wiring and all the old cables were tossed in the bin. By next day it was all gone. You don't need to be in the 1% to consider copper expendable.
 
Glaucus said:
But, it's cost has gone up
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People's wages have gone down and the value of the currency has gone down. The affordability of copper has fallen for some people and it's value therefore has gone up but this is more a function of the wealth (and income) distribution than of actual comparative value increasing.

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You don't think a billion+ Chinese buying the stuff up raises demand and the price? I think there are more factors at play than the simple explanation you provided.

Don't get me wrong though, I agree that the wealth distribution is a problem and our future may be a dark one because of it. But on the subject of copper, I think there's more to the story. A better example would be to talk about the decline of affordability on a commodity that is NOT in demand. That would be a bigger eye opener.
 
Glaucus said:
You don't think a billion+ Chinese buying the stuff up raises demand and the price? I think there are more factors at play than the simple explanation you provided.
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Sure, the Chinese are buying a lot of copper but a great deal of it they are using to make stuff to sell back to us. However, fact of the matter is that all world currencies are over-printed (actually over lent by banks) and their value has fallen over time and wages have not kept pace with that fall. Copper is becoming more affordable for Chinese people.

World wide copper production is also up and is so far keeping up with demand though that looks like it could change around 2100. Yes, we seem to be paying more for the copper because other people's buying power is increasing - the only reason they can raise the price on us is because they can afford to.
 
Glaucus said:
When my dad shut down his bakery we gutted it to the concrete for renovations before renting out the space. We replaced all the copper wiring and all the old cables were tossed in the bin. By next day it was all gone. You don't need to be in the 1% to consider copper expendable.
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Here they would have broke in at night and cut out all the new plumbing you just installed, that's the main reason new homes here now use plastic plumbing

they steal the scrap metal because its basically untraceable, and very easy to sell at the local scrap yard, if there are no video cameras recording the theft, there will be no police investigation
 
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