Here's a valid question re: gun control...

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So... When the government and all the whiny-ass liberal wussy assholes finally figure out how to outlaw guns, what are you going to do?

It strikes me as funny because those of us law abiding citizens who own weapons have them registered, while all the criminals and ne'erdowells don't. Meaning of course the government, trying to protect us from ourselves will have left us to the proverbial wolves...
 
Its all about control Wayne. Our lefty friends think it is about safety, our Big Brother wants to make us all safe because he loves us so VERY much. Good luck with that.

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redrumloa said:
Its all about control Wayne. Our lefty friends think it is about safety, our Big Brother wants to make us all safe because he loves us so VERY much. Good luck with that.

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Exactly, YOU the people should conquer your country, and don't leave it to thugs who can illegaly but very easily get guns on every street corner.
 
Wayne said:
It strikes me as funny because those of us law abiding citizens who own weapons have them registered, while all the criminals and ne'erdowells don't. Meaning of course the government, trying to protect us from ourselves will have left us to the proverbial wolves...
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Funny? It's a very valid question. My thoughts on this is that if you close down all the weapon shops it will be much more unlikely guns will get on the black market, eventually. Sure, weapons will be around, but it's not like very kid around the corner can obtain one for next to nothing. Especially if that corner is a shady ghetto.
 
Wayne said:
So... When the government and all the whiny-ass liberal wussy assholes finally figure out how to outlaw guns, what are you going to do?

It strikes me as funny because those of us law abiding citizens who own weapons have them registered, while all the criminals and ne'erdowells don't. Meaning of course the government, trying to protect us from ourselves will have left us to the proverbial wolves...
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Guns don't kill people - bullets do.
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
Funny? It's a very valid question. My thoughts on this is that if you close down all the weapon shops it will be much more unlikely guns will get on the black market, eventually. Sure, weapons will be around, but it's not like very kid around the corner can obtain one for next to nothing. Especially if that corner is a shady ghetto.
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A noble thought Speel, but unrealistic (IMO) in the case of the US. There are an estimated 1,000,000 firearms (all types) "on the street" now so even if you wave your magic wand and get rid of all the legal ones, you've still got a very large number to deal with.

As an example I offer the city of Chicago who gun crime rate on children is horrendous... last and this year. I will also add they have extremely strict gun control laws in effect and yet it still happens. :-(

Regards,
ltstanfo
 
metalman said:
precious metal registration

Registration is usually about confiscation.
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Like registering dogs and cars and property and trade marks and companies. The majority of registrations are about proof of ownership and or obligation and responsibility. I took a look at this bill and it looks like it was spurred by the increase in precious metal prices and the prospect of increased theft and/or use as payment in illegal activities. The requirement is not for government registration as such but that people who trade precious metals as a business keep records of the transactions for up to 5 years. It is also a state bill not a federal bill and it's currently stalled - seems the house has more important things to do than pass this bill.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Like registering dogs and cars and property and trade marks and companies. The majority of registrations are about proof of ownership and or obligation and responsibility. I took a look at this bill and it looks like it was spurred by the increase in precious metal prices and the prospect of increased theft and/or use as payment in illegal activities. The requirement is not for government registration as such but that people who trade precious metals as a business keep records of the transactions for up to 5 years. It is also a state bill not a federal bill and it's currently stalled - seems the house has more important things to do than pass this bill.
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Precious metals are pseudo-cash and an easy way to evade sales taxes, and make pseudo cash transactions above the $10k cash reporting limit in a high tax state like Illinois.

There is already arbitrage of the merchandise sales tax differences between Illinois and Missouri
 
Wayne said:
It strikes me as funny because those of us law abiding citizens who own weapons have them registered, while all the criminals and ne'erdowells don't. Meaning of course the government, trying to protect us from ourselves will have left us to the proverbial wolves...
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It may indeed strike you as funny, but here's something else that's funny: In Canada, where we have far tighter regulations on firearms preventing law abiding citizens access to the firepower many Americans enjoy, the criminals get their arms from the United States - illegally smuggled across the boarder. Not only that, in Canada, we don't have a death penalty and jail sentences for all crimes including murder are far shorter than what you'd find in the US. Even our war on drugs is greatly underfunded compared to what goes on in the US. All this would make your typical American Law and Order conservative come to the quick conclusion that Canada must be a real cesspool of crime and murder. And yet, when you take your head out of your ass and actually look at the stats, it's quite the opposite. The US continues to dominate in all things bad: crime rates and murder rates, deaths by firearms in particular, are the highest in the Western world. Whyzzat?

So it seems to me there are a few ways to deal with all this. First, you can start by doing away with that ridiculous war on drugs. Do that, and a large chunk of your criminals could instantly become law abiding citizens. Next, take away assault rifles and hand guns from all law abiding citizens. Yep, that means that only truly hardened criminals will have guns at the point, but guess what: that's not the problem you're making it out to be. The real advantage here is that none of those weapons will be sold on the market which means the supply will be cut off. Eventually the weapons will be confiscated by police, lost or broken. There's no quick fix, but with time there's no reason why the US crime rates can't match those of other civilized nations. Unless of course you wish to explain to me why the US is not civilized?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Precious metals aren't pseudo-cash. Precious metals are money. Cash is pseudo-money.
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Not for the purposes banking regulations cash reporting requirements, cash is the paper with the pictures of famous people on them, serial numbers, and a signature of a high ranking government official

That shinny stuff is a commodity

And I recommend a diversity of commodities, Gold, silver, copper ... toilet paper

because it's had to make change without a diversity of items available
 
ltstanfo said:
A noble thought Speel, but unrealistic (IMO) in the case of the US. There are an estimated 1,000,000 firearms (all types) "on the street" now so even if you wave your magic wand and get rid of all the legal ones, you've still got a very large number to deal with.

As an example I offer the city of Chicago who gun crime rate on children is horrendous... last and this year. I will also add they have extremely strict gun control laws in effect and yet it still happens. :-(

Regards,
ltstanfo
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State specific regulations considering this makes no sense whatsoever, as you can just drive from Alabama to Chicago with a trunk full of machineguns and you won't be stopped anywhere, and even if you were, they'd already be legally yours.
I know that an extremely big country with countless of guns won't be able to get rid of it's guns over a decade, but as guns will be harder to come by and the guns of caught criminals will be destroyed, gradually gun related violence (with it's impact, mind you) really will get less. Every person saved from the bullet will make this law worthwhile big time. I really think this way. I love ancient weapons and have been shooting with air guns as a sport in my early twenties, but magnums and uzis just in the shops make me very worried.
 
Glaucus said:
The US continues to dominate in all things bad: crime rates and murder rates, deaths by firearms in particular, are the highest in the Western world. Whyzzat?
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The strictest gun laws are in Mexico, which also has the highest rates of murder, kidnapping, and other crimes, by far
 
Here's an aside - perhaps you've heard:

Keith Ratliff, the weapons manager of YouTube's third most popular channel, FPSRussia, was killed by a single bullet to the head. All his weapons and expertise didn't seem to amount to much when it came to not getting killed.
 
metalman said:
The strictest gun laws are in Mexico, which also has the highest rates of murder, kidnapping, and other crimes, by far
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Well, it obviously doesn't help when a big country you share a border with is shipping guns to crooks as fast and furious as they can.
 
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