It's About Hate On Easter.

metalman said:
Do Hispanics make you uncomfortable?
Do Jews make you uncomfortable?

Fred Phelps has run for office in various Democratic Party primaries five times. In primary races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15 percent of the vote in 1998. In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31 percent of the vote. Phelps ran for mayor of Topeka in 1993 and 1997. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore's 1988 Presidential campaign in Kansas. Phelps' son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fund raiser at his home in Topeka and was a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention.

So grateful for that support was Gore, Phelps said, that four years later, in 1992, Phelps was provided tickets to the inauguration of President Clinton. Phelps was also sent tickets to the 1996 inauguration.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

Support for Al Gore

Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party presidential primary election. In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a "gay bill of rights" and stated that homosexuality was not something that "society should affirm". Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments. According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore's 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps' son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser at his home in Topeka and was a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention. Gore spokesman Dag Vega declined to comment, saying "We are not dignifying those stories with a response."

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In 1996 Phelps and the Westboro church opposed Clinton's re-election because of the administration's support for gay rights. The entire Westboro congregation picketed a 1997 inaugural ball, denouncing Vice President Al Gore as a "famous fag pimp". In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, "your dad's in Hell".


this site points out that "Conservapedia includes obviously photoshopped pictures of Gore with Phelps. In truth, the two have never met."
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
You could have said "no", but for some reason you chose not to. That's interesting.
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Another example of Saul Alwinsky's Rules for Radicals. I see it's most popular with the Progressives today as it was in the 1970s.
 
Glaucus said:
I think you set yourself up for "demonizing" when you decided to play pretend that Reverend Wright had anything to do with those Westboro Baptist morons. If you were fair about both sides you would have responded with something more along the lines of "The Westboro Baptists are equally despicable as Rev. Wright" or something along those lines, but instead you decided to turn it around and make it look, once again, as if Rev. Wright is the only bad guy - second only to Obama of course.
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Of course the picture wasn't labeled, won't bite on that type of bait. Fussy about those things.

As for my injection of race, it was a question to you. And I ask it because when you go to such lengths to demonize someone on such trivial grounds there tends to be some kind of irrational thought process involved. Perhaps your hate for Obama has nothing to do with race but it certainly is an issue for some people. I guess I was foolish to expect an honest answer.
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Well, I view it as dishonest and clearly insulting question, but such is life.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Funny thing about those "controversial" positions is that they aren't actually controversial. I've noticed that it is part of the right wing PR technique to label uncontroversial things controversial simply to try to convince people that they are somehow controversial so as to undermine them. Knowing that people don't have the time to explore all ideas, if you disparage the ideas you don't like then you discourage people from exploring those ideas and therefore don';t have to defend your own indefensible ideas. It's why the religious right disparage Harry Potter and why the Catholic Church disparaged The Davinci Code. If the faithful don't read them then no need to answer the awkward questions raised.

In a similar vein, reading of the Bible is discouraged by the use of preachers who will deliver the carefully selected, sanitized portions to the faithful thus discouraging them from reading the whole thing for themselves as they imagine they are already getting the complete story. Information control is power.
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Nice spin job.
 
cecilia said:
this site points out that "Conservapedia includes obviously photoshopped pictures of Gore with Phelps. In truth, the two have never met."
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:lol:
Fred Phelps, Sr published the photographs from the Gore fundraiser on the church website, including one showing Gore and his wife Tipper arm-in-arm with Fred and Betty Phelps. Phelps also provided office space and staff accommodations for Gore campaign staffers in the 1988 campaign.

Fred Phelps, Democrat
 
Dammy said:
Another example of Saul Alwinsky's Rules for Radicals.
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Which rule is it and why does that excuse you for avoiding answering the question - which you could still now answer but continue to avoid.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Which rule is it and why does that excuse you for avoiding answering the question - which you could still now answer but continue to avoid.
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Perfect example of Saul Alinsky's: “Pick the target, freeze it, personal it, and polarize it.” That is what you are attempting to do to me, but it's not going to work. I don't mind trading barbs back and forth Fluffy, but I do find what you and others are trying to do to me by even suggesting racism completely disgusting, revolting, and I resent your attempt to demean my character in such a fashion.
 
Dammy said:
Perfect example of Saul Alinsky's: “Pick the target, freeze it, personal it, and polarize it.” That is what you are attempting to do to me, but it's not going to work. I don't mind trading barbs back and forth Fluffy, but I do find what you and others are trying to do to me by even suggesting racism completely disgusting, revolting, and I resent your attempt to demean my character in such a fashion.
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So you continue to refuse to deny the suggestion. You should be a politician. They always deflect and redirect when they can't answer a question.
 
You're right Dammy, my comment was a bit of a low blow. I really don't know, but you're probably not a racist so I apologize.

As for Rev Wright, he certainly says things that I agree with, but at the same time says things that are just wacko. He's not someone I'd look to for leadership, but at the same time I can understand why some would find him entertaining. Listening to him doesn't mean you agree with him and in fact he may be little more than just a catalyst for discussion.
 
Listening to him doesn't mean you agree with him
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that's my view of that unbelievable moron, santorum. He's very entertaining in a horrifying way.
 
Most of my musical heroes have behaved like complete arseholes at some point or other but it doesn't stop me listening to them.
 
@metalman

I've watched them both now (finally) and I can't disagree. I think the problem is that you don't understand what he is saying - or you are just knee-jerk programmed to shut your mind whenever you hear criticism of your beloved elites and their government.
 
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