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Robert said:
So the takeaway from this is that Neil Young knows he is wrong? I suppose it's possible but it strikes me as unlikely. On the contrary, I get the impression NY is convinced he is right.
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I think he believes himself to be right (as all the faithful do) but his religion is adapted to fend off the danger of alternative opinions which may prove correct. The more at odds with reality a religions tenets are, the more it must evolve potent protections against contrary evidence or go extinct. Some of that evolution may arise naturally through individual trial and error and some of that is directed from the top of the priesthood actively spreading those things that have been seen to work in the field and also actively researching and developing sophistries. I don't think Niel is anywhere near the priesthood, but is just another useful idiot. I am not sure he has undertaken any relevant medical training is is even terribly aware of the science - he knows what everyone he knows is saying, assumes they must know, and doesn't want to be thought of as someone who cannot see the beautiful cloth. The fool has said in his heart there is no God.
Or it could just be business. If he is getting mobbed by the twitterati (and mistaking them for his fans), he may feel that his income could be in danger if he doesn't make a gesture. Or it could be other members of the glitterati (who are generally wealthy or influential because they entertain in someway rather than for their specialised medical and epidemiological expertise) intimating he might be ostracised if he doesn't - or it could just be that he, like Joni, is old and in the demographic most likely to be killed by a Covid infection and is acting out of fear.
I'm not sure who Galileo is supposed to be in this analogy but if it's either Rogan or Young it seems a bit of a reach.
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Galileo is anyone who brings forward anything that endangers the faith. Galileo is the infidel. If you a have the faith and you believe that your life (and soul) depend on it proper practice of the religion by all of society, any corrupter or unbeliever is opening you up to the wrath of the gods or God. Infidels need to be converted or silenced by any means necessary for the good of all.
 
Robert said:
Unavailable in the UK.
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By the way, I can't see it either (in Canada). It's from the Daily Show so they probably don't want the rest of the world seeing it, just like woke teachers hate online education because they don't want parents to see what they are saying to their captive audience.
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FluffyMcDeath said:
I think he believes himself to be right (as all the faithful do) but his religion is adapted to fend off the danger of alternative opinions which may prove correct. The more at odds with reality a religions tenets are, the more it must evolve potent protections against contrary evidence or go extinct. Some of that evolution may arise naturally through individual trial and error and some of that is directed from the top of the priesthood actively spreading those things that have been seen to work in the field and also actively researching and developing sophistries. I don't think Niel is anywhere near the priesthood, but is just another useful idiot. I am not sure he has undertaken any relevant medical training is is even terribly aware of the science - he knows what everyone he knows is saying, assumes they must know, and doesn't want to be thought of as someone who cannot see the beautiful cloth. The fool has said in his heart there is no God.
Or it could just be business. If he is getting mobbed by the twitterati (and mistaking them for his fans), he may feel that his income could be in danger if he doesn't make a gesture. Or it could be other members of the glitterati (who are generally wealthy or influential because they entertain in someway rather than for their specialised medical and epidemiological expertise) intimating he might be ostracised if he doesn't - or it could just be that he, like Joni, is old and in the demographic most likely to be killed by a Covid infection and is acting out of fear.

Galileo is anyone who brings forward anything that endangers the faith. Galileo is the infidel. If you a have the faith and you believe that your life (and soul) depend on it proper practice of the religion by all of society, any corrupter or unbeliever is opening you up to the wrath of the gods or God. Infidels need to be converted or silenced by any means necessary for the good of all.
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That's an awful lot of words to acknowledge the analogy didn't really work.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
woke teachers hate online education because they don't want parents to see what they are saying to their captive audience.
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Online teaching is easier than classroom teaching in a lot of ways. I did a lot of it last year and parents were often in the room and would sometimes interject. Fortunately for me they were almost always knowledgeable, informed or merely curious. Any teacher who is against online purely because parents might hear is probably a terrible teacher. Why that would make them "woke" is beyond me. The one teacher I know who railed against that aspect of it on facebook is the maddest Q follower I know - lizard people, aliens, clones, the lot.
 
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Robert said:
Online teaching is easier than classroom teaching in a lot of ways. I did a lot of it last year and parents were often in the room and would sometimes interject. Fortunately for me they were almost always knowledgeable, informed or merely curious. Any teacher who is against online purely because parents might hear is probably a terrible teacher. Why that would make them "woke" is beyond me. The one teacher I know who railed against that aspect of it on facebook is the maddest Q follower I know - lizard people, aliens, clones, the lot.
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Perhaps your education system is less infected than North America. There are lots of teachers invested in various critical theories, and young children who "use different pronouns" or identify as different genders in class where the schools don't have to communicate this with the parents and keep it a secret just for the classroom (so that transphobe parents can't "conversion therapy" them) .
 
Robert said:
That's an awful lot of words to acknowledge the analogy didn't really work.
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Pretty sure it would remain at least half right. Those who know they are right don't fear contrary opinion (and by "know" I mean have actually logical arguments and experience with the relevant facts such that they can confidently outline their reasons for their position). In that sense, Neil doesn't know he is wrong, he believes he is right - though he probably can't "know" that he is.
 
Robert said:
So, Neil Young, who I've already said can be a bit of an arsehole, made a homophobic comment decades ago and this somehow proves he's currently controlled by Pfizer?

Even for you, this is gloriously absurd.
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FluffyMcDeath said:
Perhaps your education system is less infected than North America. There are lots of teachers invested in various critical theories
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Perhaps your education system is less infected than the UK. There are lots of teachers invested in various conspiracy theories.
 
redrumloa said:
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:lol:
I'm afraid that video* does very little to link a homophobic comment from nearly 40 years ago to anything. So since we appear to have abandoned actual discussion in favour of your pet pastime of bizarre non-sequiturs, here are a few for you to enjoy.

I'll try to word this so you can at least recognise the style, if not appreciate it.

Are you really still starry-eyed about Jurassic podcasters?

Russell Brand accused of homophobia​

Russell Brand accused of racism​

Joe Rogan accused of homophobia, racism and misogyny​

What's that you say? This is all completely irrelevant to the point? Well, as far as this post goes, that is the point.




*Russel's tenuous follow-the-money routine could also be applied to his own metamorphosis into a Poundland version of Alex Jones
 
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WATCH: JON STEWART COMES TO JOE ROGAN'S DEFENSE, BLASTS VIRTUE SIGNALLING ARTISTS​

Stewart makes two key points. First, Rogan is a reasonable person who has four-hour conversations with a diverse group of voices. He's not actively looking to spread "misinformation" or trying to kill people as he's accused of doing by CNN and other haters. Does Rogan get things wrong? Sure. He admits to mistakes when he makes them. The idea that Joe Rogan is diabolical in how he tries to manipulate information is ludicrous.

The other point is how far these artists are willing to go to signal their virtue. Joe Rogan and Spotify are the news-entertainment industrial complex's new boogeymen. They're 2022's Trump. You get points when you attack Rogan and Spotify. You're lauded as brave when you say you won't be on the same platform as someone who spreads "misinformation." What about other platforms? Will you leave your record label? Will you refuse to be employed by any company that owns a cable channel that spreads "misinformation"? How far does it go? My guess is only as far as this week.
 
redrumloa said:

WATCH: JON STEWART COMES TO JOE ROGAN'S DEFENSE, BLASTS VIRTUE SIGNALLING ARTISTS​

Stewart makes two key points. First, Rogan is a reasonable person who has four-hour conversations with a diverse group of voices. He's not actively looking to spread "misinformation" or trying to kill people as he's accused of doing by CNN and other haters. Does Rogan get things wrong? Sure. He admits to mistakes when he makes them. The idea that Joe Rogan is diabolical in how he tries to manipulate information is ludicrous.

The other point is how far these artists are willing to go to signal their virtue. Joe Rogan and Spotify are the news-entertainment industrial complex's new boogeymen. They're 2022's Trump. You get points when you attack Rogan and Spotify. You're lauded as brave when you say you won't be on the same platform as someone who spreads "misinformation." What about other platforms? Will you leave your record label? Will you refuse to be employed by any company that owns a cable channel that spreads "misinformation"? How far does it go? My guess is only as far as this week.
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I broadly agree with these points but wanted to see the clip.
Is there a way to watch it without having to navigate that annoying "Tired of the Left" pop up?

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Never mind, I found this, which I think is the clip referred to. Worth a watch.
 
cecilia said:
that's too bad because it great.

I think this is a link from facebook

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Joe Rogan Responds to Artist Boycott Over His Podcast | Unpacking Joe Rogan’s Spotify response | By The Daily Show | Facebook

Unpacking Joe Rogan’s Spotify response
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He seemed fairly balanced - but the stopped clock analogy the way he uses it is only applicable to opinion mongers maybe - but Joe has had on actual experts in relevant fields who have been right for a long time. It's like H Pylori or continental drift. It's not that everyone came around at the moment the continents started drifting or H Pylori started causing stomach ulcers. Some people, who are well informed in the relevant topics have been right for a long time - bat as with those two examples, and with the story of Ignaz Semmelweis, being right was no protection against being thought wrong by the majority of their profession, but worse, was embarrassing to those who would eventually be proven wrong (and in a litigious culture like the United States, being wrong can also be very expensive, though in the US, companies that make vaccines are completely shielded from liability for any injuries caused).
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
(and in a litigious culture like the United States, being wrong can also be very expensive, though in the US, companies that make vaccines are completely shielded from liability for any injuries caused).
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And being right is expensive in the US. The reason research companies are "shielded from liability" is because otherwise no one will want to make vaccines and people will die. The incredibly small number of REAL vaccine injuries will get blown way out of proportion in the "litigious culture" of the US and no research group will want to take the chance of working on the incredibly difficult work of vaccine development just to be sued out of existence by greedy lawyers.

You can argue that's not the "best solution". I don't know.
I'm not here to solve that problem.


meanwhile, antivaxxers think long covid is worth this risk

www.theguardian.com

Experience: after getting Covid, everything I eat tastes like rotting flesh

I rarely feel hungry and only eat when I feel I should – food smells are physically repulsive
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Robert said:
I broadly agree with these points but wanted to see the clip.
Is there a way to watch it without having to navigate that annoying "Tired of the Left" pop up?

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Never mind, I found this, which I think is the clip referred to. Worth a watch.
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I get the idea it's not just the algorithms. The algorithms are being used with 'apples of discord' - ideas that are meticulously crafted with one goal: quarrels and division, for weakening our political culture.
Take for instance the 'new rainbowflag'; the rainbow as such is a very recognisable and powerful symbol for diversity. But apparently to some it wasn't inclusive enough, so they made a new rainbow flag:

lgbt-pride-flag-redesign-hero-852x480.jpg


Ironically, to me this looks like a big wedge being shoved between the colours. A striking symbol for an apple of discord which in the lgbt community is on itself an apple of discord.
 
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