More Firms Announce ObamaCare Layoffs

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Boston Scientific - In October of 2009, Boston Scientific CEO Ray Elliott, warned that proposed taxes in the health care reform bill could "lead to significant job losses" for his company. Nearly two years later, Elliott announced that the company would be cutting anywhere between 1,200 and 1,400 jobs, while simultaneously shifting investments and workers overseas - to China.
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Darden Restaurants
According to the Orlando Sentinel, Darden Restaurants, a casual dining chain best known for their Red Lobster, Olive Garden and LongHorn Steakhouse restaurants, is "experimenting with limiting the hours of some of its workers to avoid health care requirements under the Affordable Care Act when they take effect in 2014".
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some people just suck at running a business


and they will use any excuse - except the truth: that they suck
 
cecilia said:
some people just suck at running a business


and they will use any excuse - except the truth: that they suck
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It is a well known attribute of "successful" people that they claim responsibility for their successes and blame their failures on others.
 
that guy in the video can be crazy but here he hit the nail on the head.

any company that puts profit OVER people doesn't deserve to be in business.
 
Some troubled business might indeed need to fire some people since they may not be able to afford the ObamaCare taxes. Of course, giving them a break on such a tax would help them stay afloat. Giving them a tax break then starts to sound a lot like a mini-bailout. I thought conservatives hated bailouts. Guess I was wrong.
 
Glaucus said:
Some troubled business might indeed need to fire some people since they may not be able to afford the ObamaCare taxes. Of course, giving them a break on such a tax would help them stay afloat. Giving them a tax break then starts to sound a lot like a mini-bailout. I thought conservatives hated bailouts. Guess I was wrong.
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In an ideal world there would be no Obamacare and if you need healthcare, don't work for a company that doesn't offer health care. Problem is progressives (including fake Republicans) have fucked everything up so bad, we're all fucked no matter what.

Just wait for the rationing and death panels.
 
Wrong. The correct answer is: Instead of ObamaCare, the US needs universal health care just like every other civilized nation on the planet. Why should your work pay for your healthcare?
 
Glaucus is spot on. There shouldn't be a healthcare associated with employment. That gives the power to the employer over their employees personal lives and decisions. There should be a universal healthcare system.

Strangely enough the Republicans are helping to create a universal system. Many Republican Governor's refuse to create State coordinated buying cooperatives. That's all fine and legal in the law. The result is that for citizens without a State option they receive the Federal option. That's more then likely going to be a better deal. Why? Insurance in part depends upon the size of the pool the lower the rates. Certainly a Federal System will have a large pool than any State will. So a lower cost for citizens. Additionally if too many people fall under the Federal Option the State Options will be too expensive. The driver to lower healthcare costs will start creating a demand to shutdown the State systems and go to an only Federal model. Thus, the rebellious Republicans are more likely pushing us all to a Universal System.
 
redrumloa said:
In an ideal world there would be no Obamacare and if you need healthcare, don't work for a company that doesn't offer health care.
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OK, let's say you have the choice to work at a place with no health care or not work. What do you chose?
Now, let's say you are a company and you can offer healthcare to employees or save money and don't offer it. What do you do?
Now look at the current economy - who has the power here - those who need a paycheck or those who can hire? How many employers would offer health care in this sort of economic climate if they weren't forced to?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
OK, let's say you have the choice to work at a place with no health care or not work. What do you chose?
Now, let's say you are a company and you can offer healthcare to employees or save money and don't offer it. What do you do?
Now look at the current economy - who has the power here - those who need a paycheck or those who can hire? How many employers would offer health care in this sort of economic climate if they weren't forced to?
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You missed my second part.

Problem is progressives (including fake Republicans) have fucked everything up so bad, we're all fucked no matter what.
 
redrumloa said:
Problem is progressives (including fake Republicans) have fucked everything up so bad, we're all fucked no matter what.
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In 1962, the government regulated the price and route of every airplane, every freight train, every truck and every merchant ship in the United States. The government regulated the price of natural gas. It regulated the interest on every checking account and the commission on every purchase or sale of stock. Owning a gold bar was a serious crime that could be prosecuted under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The top rate of income tax was 91%.
It was illegal to own a telephone. Phones had to be rented from the giant government-regulated monopoly that controlled all telecommunications in the United States. All young men were subject to the military draft and could escape only if they entered a government-approved graduate course of study. The great concern of students of American society -- of liberals such as David Riesman, of conservatives such as Russell Kirk, and of radicals such as Dwight Macdonald -- was the country's stultifying, crushing conformity.
Even if you look only at the experiences of white heterosexual men, the United States of 2012 is a freer country in almost every way than the United States of 1962.

Americans freer in 2012 than in 1962
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Perhaps the second part was too erudite and logically argued. I'll have to get back to this once I've had a chance to fully analyze your points.
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The country is far more fucked up now than ~6 years ago when I predicted things would get fucked up. It aint over. No matter what we say or do now, we're already fucked. The United States of America, from the world leader to the next Greece in 10 short years.
 
things were fu*cked up when reagan started his trickle down bullshit
 
redrumloa said:
The country is far more fucked up now than ~6 years ago when I predicted things would get fucked up.
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Not so sure about that. Fact is that the US Empire was coming to an end in 2000. It could have gone on longer but certain people thought that they knew how to make the Empire permanent and did whatever it took to get themselves elected in 2000 and then waited for a new Pearl Harbor so they could set their brilliant plan in motion. It's not worked out so well.

The very expensive and pointless wars coupled with the rampant thievery of the upper classes (those in finance and those in defense contracting and those in energy) demolished a country that was already in decline but ... it was in decline. The Christian Right was rising, education scores falling, population getting fatter and stupider (much to the chagrin of those who tried to keep up standards) - walmart was chewing out the manufacturing heart of the US by making it impossible to make a profit unless manufacturing was offshored ... the people drank the "deregulate everything" cool aid and now the ground is littered with bodies.

I think it'll get better. I think that people will figure this stuff out and the politicians will have to change or go. Right now the race is on to dismantle the government so it won't have the power to reverse the gains of the rich if the people get control again. We'll see. Money is imaginary. The financial problems can be fixed with laws and jail time. Even many of the elites understand that fraud is killing the golden goose. America will be a less influential power when it's all done, it won't be able to dictate to Europe, Russia, India and China any more, but it won't become Greece - or at least, not in the places that it hasn't already been Greece for the last 100 years.
 
makes me glad I live in New York and not some miserable backward place in America
 
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