Need some clarification regarding candidates, the election, and well, everything...

ilwrath said:
And there is no media outlet anywhere that seems like they want to mention that Hillary dropped another state......
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Because Hillary is now the GOP favourite. She's the only establishment candidate left.

(by the way - please be aware that I am talking about the political class that run the party machines - not the rank and file "little people")
 
ilwrath said:
And there is no media outlet anywhere that seems like they want to mention that Hillary dropped another state......
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Really? I've pretty much heard "Hillary lost Indiana" every time I've turned on the radio for the last couple of days (both CNN and FOX)
 
Forgive my Australian ignorance but isn't it a requirement for a presidential candidate to have served in the military?
 
No. They have to be 45 I think and also born in the United States. Although we've still not determined that Obama in fact was. (JMHO I think he actually wasn't and I do not believe he was born in Hawaii either no matter what the establishment claims)
 
Kesa said:
Forgive my Australian ignorance but isn't it a requirement for a presidential candidate to have served in the military?
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Sadly, no. That's not a requirement, though I firmly believe that the United States would be in a hell of a lot better shape if it were.

Simply Sara said:
No. They have to be 45 I think and also born in the United States. Although we've still not determined that Obama in fact was. (JMHO I think he actually wasn't and I do not believe he was born in Hawaii either no matter what the establishment claims)
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The age requirement is 35, but like you, I believe the current President took advantage of the glaring loop hole in the rules which call for the President to be a "Natural Born Citizen" which is ill-defined by either Constitution or Articles.

http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/82/presidential-eligibility

Barack Hussein Obama was physically born in Kenya (according to the Kenyan people) but since one parent was a U.S. Citizen upon his birth, he is -- in effect -- a "legacy" "natural born citizen" much the way that if your mom belongs to a college sorority, you get in free "in".

Whether or not we believe it, a birth certificate for Barack Obama was issued in Hawaii. There's zero way for anyone -- except a very few left on this Earth -- to know the truth of how or why that was done, or even if it's legitimate, but the simple but overwhelming fact remains that as his mother was an American, he's an American Citizen by right of birth if nothing else.

Sucks, but those are the rules he played by as a Constitutional Lawyer (the rules which desperately need to be revised and clarified to meet the modern age).

America needs another Constitutional Convention desperately but the simple fact is that in these liberal and socialist-leaning times, I'm not so sure that's a great idea. The America I know and grew up in simply wouldn't survive because we're too far gone now.

Wayne
 
Wayne said:
The age requirement is 35, but like you, I believe the current President took advantage of the glaring loop hole in the rules which call for the President to be a "Natural Born Citizen" which is ill-defined by either Constitution or Articles.
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It is worth remembering that before he was elected for his first term he ran against John McCain who was not born on US territory.

More recently, Ted Cruz ran to be nominated as the presidential nominee of the Republican party despite being born in - drum roll - evil socialist Canada. Interestingly enough, the man who successfully promoted the anti-Obama "Birther" movement, i.e. Donald Trump, did not have much to say about it besides mentioning that he was not entirely sure if it was legal for Cruz to become president or not... Only Cruz's mother was born in the United States, by the way. His father was Cuban.

As far as I can tell, there is no debate about whether each three men grew up and were socialized (not in any "bad" sense of the word) in the United States of America.

Would anybody care to explain to me why it would possibly matter where someone´s American mother happened to be when her water broke and why this should potentially disqualify someone from being able to become president? Also, should someone be eligible to become president because that person happened to be born on US soil to parents who did not have citizenship status?
 
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Simply Sara said:
(JMHO I think he actually wasn't and I do not believe he was born in Hawaii either no matter what the establishment claims)
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Even if he was there are plenty in Hawaii who don't believe that Hawaii is legitimately part of the US and that the annexation was illegal.
 
Wayne said:
That's not a requirement, though I firmly believe that the United States would be in a hell of a lot better shape if it were.
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It would be a lot better if, in the event of war, the president was the first person drafted to the front lines.
 
JoBBo said:
Would anybody care to explain to me why it would possibly matter where someone´s American mother happened to be when her water broke and why this should potentially disqualify someone from being able to become president?
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1) It doesn't legally matter where "someone's American mother" was when her water broke. Obama could have just as easily said "I was born in Kenya to an American citizen, making me an American citizen" but he didn't. He got (what I consider to be) a potentially fraudulent official document from the State of Hawaii made up to quell his naysayers and get "loopholed" into the Presidency. It matters, because -- say for example -- someone who was born to an American mother but raised in Nazi Germany by a Nazi father at the height of the World War. I wouldn't want that person to be President any more than I do Obama, even though I accept that legally they would have a right to be.

Also, should someone be eligible to become president because that person happened to be born on US soil to parents who did not have citizenship status?
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2) Again, legally they can be. The idea that in 30 years, a Mexican (or more generally, a South American) child with divided loyalties could be sitting on the proverbial throne scares the shit out of me. That's why I feel we need a new Constitutional Congress to decide such things (since the 200-year-old laws don't really apply to this situation)...

Wayne
 
Wayne said:
1) It doesn't legally matter where "someone's American mother" was when her water broke. Obama could have just as easily said "I was born in Kenya to an American citizen, making me an American citizen" but he didn't. He got (what I consider to be) a potentially fraudulent official document from the State of Hawaii made up to quell his naysayers and get "loopholed" into the Presidency. It matters, because -- say for example -- someone who was born to an American mother but raised in Nazi Germany by a Nazi father at the height of the World War. I wouldn't want that person to be President any more than I do Obama, even though I accept that legally they would have a right to be.
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Would you are care to provide links to sources that indicate Obama was not born on Hawaii?

I seriously tried to find some but I only discovered websites that frankly lacked credibility. I did find a Fox News video of Bill O`Reilly stating he does not believe Obama is either Kenyan or a Muslim but it was not exactly what I was looking for, obviously.

The idea that in 30 years, a Mexican (or more generally, a South American)
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I apologize but I cannot help myself: Mexico is actually part of North America... (and there are quite a few more countries, albeit much smaller ones)
 
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