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2005 Saab 92x has worked great. In fact it's still working great at 183K. I did recently get a wheel bearing replaced. During the inspection the Dealer's shop stated they believe the head gaskets need to be replaced.

IMO a bit silly to do it'll cost about $3K. The engine has 183K so who knows what else they may find and need to repair. And when the engine's out might as well do the clutch too for another $300-400 in parts. I think the $3K estimate will easily reach $4K if not more. Not to mention there's been a small leak by the heater core forever. It drops on the exhaust and smells sweet because of it.

Now the car's behavior hasn't changed since I've owned it. I always need to add a quart of oil around 4K miles. I always need about 1/2 cup of anti-freeze every month. I know this car and this dance is religious.

One option is just drive her and see how far I can get. Since the behavior hasn't changed perhaps the shop is wrong OR the problem isn't immient. The problem is one never knows so we're playing with trying to use it for trade-in.

Not sure what to look at for my next car. I wanted something 2009 or newer. The 'problem' becomes interest rates and proximity of car values. Used cars appear to no longer be taking a 30% hit. In fact some that are two years old are about 5% less at best. So that new car at $2K more w/ 1% interest + warranty is more attractive then the 2 year old car with 4% interest and a small remainder of a warranty.

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Typical use - hauling 2 kids in the back, often just myself and no one riding shotgun. To work and back is ~40miles at 70MPH /day and about 10 miles of city stop and go. Minnesota so we do get some bad storms and severe snow. But, I can often stay home if it's just too bad.

Idea 1: Get the wife a Mazda5. Drive her 09 Forester.

Idea 2: The wife has gotten 4 new vehicles in the time I've had the same car. She agrees it's unfair to give her the new car again and give me a hand me down. We have agreed if she doesn't like the Forester she can trade it in for what she wants. (This month cough cough). I can't figure out what I want?

I drove an Aura, Fusion, Regal, Jetta, and Malibu. Out of the bunch I liked the Fusion the best. Jetta was the worst so I threw out the Diesel option. It appears that new cars are built so you feel you're in a cab without corners. I do like seeing the edges of the car. I think I'll try a Subaru Legacy tomorrow. What else? Mazda CX-5 perhaps?

Thanks
 
I drove an Aura, Fusion, Regal, Jetta, and Malibu. Out of the bunch I liked the Fusion the best.

Yeah, I was in the position of needing to get a new car for my wife quickly, after her previous vehicle was totaled. We ended up getting a 2010 Fusion SE v6. Very nice little car. It never fails to put a smile on my face when I drive it. Which isn't something I think I've ever said about a 4-door front-wheel drive car before. But, of course, she needs a safe and reliable car for her and our son.

My only real complaint with the Fusion is the manu-matic transmission occasionally shifts a little unusually. There was a recall inspection / service on that part, and they replaced the clutch and flashed a new update. It is a lot better, now, but still occasionally quirky. The 4-cylinder version of the car uses a more conventional trans and shifts nicer, but felt a bit underpowered if you're going to be doing 40 miles of freeway a day. (My wife has a very similar commute to yours.) So, if you're looking toward a late model used v6, ask about the trans recall work. And, if you're looking for new, keep a wary eye on reviews for mentions about the transmission.

Quite honestly, I'm a bit jealous that my wife gets the new Fusion, while I'm usually stuck with whatever beater car is filling out our insurance policy. (Currently a 2005 Chevy HHR - a truly TERRIBLE vehicle, though it was cheap in hand-me-down form, and is useful for hauling all sorts of junk around for work. But I miss my old S-10 Blazer.) Of course, I still have the garage queen Mustang, so that undermines any moral ground I may have. ;)
 
@ilwrath,

Thanks! As for Mustang I'd love to try out a modern 305HP V6 convertible. If they really get the 30EPA rating then that might be a nice commuter. Though the kids will hate the back.
 
@ilwrath,

As for Mustang I'd love to try out a modern 305HP V6 convertible.

Last Mustang I drove was shite. It was a rental, I thought it would be fun to drive a convertible Mustang on the freeway from San Fransisco to San Jose (work trip) and it just wasn't. Laggy, saggy and baggy. All that engine and nothing happens.

My old Miata is more fun in every way - I get close to 30 mpg in the city with tires properly inflated and top up but what's the point of top up. Extra added bonus - there IS NO back seat so I can't transport the kids!
 
Thanks! As for Mustang I'd love to try out a modern 305HP V6 convertible. If they really get the 30EPA rating then that might be a nice commuter. Though the kids will hate the back.

I'm pretty sure it will get the 30 mpg or so. The drawback is the v6 convertible weighs in at a hefty 3500+ lbs. I don't really understand why that platform is so heavy. I mean, the previous model was a little under 3000, IIRC. With the 3.31 rear end and that much weight, even the new (and much improved) v6 doesn't make it as lively as you'd expect, especially when considering the hassles of the rest of the vehicle. There's plenty of bolt-ons that would fix the problem, (a lot of it would probably be fixed by just changing that rear end) but then, I doubt you'd still be seeing 30mpg, anymore. (And, at that point, why not just get the new Coyote 5.0? You know you want to. :D )
 
The Fusion might be interesting. Personally, I really like what the Koreans are doing these days. KIA or Hyundai both seem pretty sharp. Everyone I know who owns a Korean car loves it. The KIA Forte Koup looks nice, as does the Veloster from Hyundai (although it seems under powered but the rumor is they're adding a turbo/supercharger to it so I'd wait for that).

Although to be honest, I can't see myself ever buying brand new. I'd rather buy a 6 or 7 year old Infiniti; get more car for less money and it'll depreciate less too.
 
@iwrath
Rumors are the 2014 Mustang will go on a serious diet and lose the retro. I think it'd be a good thing. I'm feeling retroed out. If you look up the Ford Evo the next stang is supposed to be closer to that design. And why does the non-IRS Mustang out handle an IRS Camero? I'd love to blame the gov but that was prior to the takeover.

@glaucus,
thanks good ideas. I drove a Juke and sat in the Veloster. They were not made with a 6' tall man in mind. I fit but I wouldn't want to do it for an hour a day. It killed the Juke for me. It's a fun car. My son wants a Veloster because an add talked about playing Xbox on the screen. Sorry kid your Dad is too tall. Perhaps an optima.

@fluffy
Miatas are too reliable. Everyone should experience the Triumph/MG. I always carried rollerblades in my Spitfire and did get to use them when I needed help. Note this was per-cellphone era.
 
Ah yes, the Juke, forgot about that one. Some say it's ugly, and it kinda is, but in a cute way. I like it and so does the wife. Same with the KIA Soul. Still, I'm leaning more to traditional cars for drivability, so an Optima like you said would probably my first test drive if I were looking for a family car. My big challenge would be how to convince the wife we need to buy a manual transmission!
 
We drove the Soul before buying the Forester. The Soul is clearly a low price point vehicle. The engine was loud and I can't imagine one would ever try to pass with that vehicle. It was one I really tried to like. It need some serious sound and rattle dampening. The juke is definitely better. Though with both my wife and I at 6' tall we couldn't make it work.
 
I always carried rollerblades in my Spitfire and did get to use them when I needed help.
My Spitfire never left me stranded. There was a day coming through the mountains that I worried about it - why did it chose the remotest section of road to start making that odd noise? But she pulled through and never actually left me stuck anywhere.
 
@iwrath
Rumors are the 2014 Mustang will go on a serious diet and lose the retro. I think it'd be a good thing. I'm feeling retroed out. If you look up the Ford Evo the next stang is supposed to be closer to that design. And why does the non-IRS Mustang out handle an IRS Camero? I'd love to blame the gov but that was prior to the takeover.

Yeah, I guess the new Mustang supposed to hit in 2014 or 2015. Don't know anything about the design or diet, yet. I would tend to think they probably aren't changing much about the platform, itself, as I haven't caught one out around Dearborn in test disguise, yet. Though I don't see as many new cars in test form now as I used to. I guess they probably do more on-site and simulation testing, nowadays. And it's been a few years since I had access to FCN and Ford's internal employee forums, so my info isn't as good as it once was. But there's no real reason the current model couldn't have IRS, other than it's top-heavy enough that IRS won't actually help it. The design was built for optional IRS, it's just never been offered. I'm guessing they just never got a tune that worked better than the solid axle.

But I definitely agree, the retro fad was overdone before the 2005 Mustang hit. Good riddance to it. Mustang never should have been retro in the first place. That design was an insult to the soul of the car. I was in the minority of hating that design back in 2005, but it's the majority view, now. The 2010 refresh was an improvement, but still... painful.
 
@ilwrath,
I'd suspect any Mustang testing is super secretive at this point. Especially if a major redesign is in the works. It's definitely due. And 2014.5 would coorespond to the 1964.5 launch so. With Ford using the 2.0L Turbo at 240HP for the Focus GT and other vehicles I could see that engine slotting nicely under the V6. Car manufactures have some agressive goals to start acheiving here. Can't imagine that car would be as slow as my old 80 Turbo Cobra was. Ahh those college car days - it's amazing how well cars work with twine and tape.

@Fluffy,
Hyundai Accent? I think the 2012 was the upgrade.. I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

In the same category is the Honda Fit. One of my employees has one. It's not a bad car but nothing particularily thrilling about it either. Might have to borrow his for lunch.
 
when i need a "new" car i usually get a 10 yr old lincoln town car. gas mileage aint nothin to write home to mom about, but for safety, comfort, and ease of maintenance they can't be beat. for around 1500$ you can get a daily driver that is more comfortable than some peoples homes. live expectancy is 750 to 1 million miles. you could also look into a king cab smaller truck (again id recommend ford products).... kids could use a wii in the back of a lincoln.. heh heh... i have a nissan sentra and it's great on the gas but after 20 miles or so you realize its not something you'd wanna drive cross country... which i tend to do on a whim... another thought is that if you have a place to store a parts car or two like we do, you could keep the saab and make it worth it by parts savings... feller told me once "the best "used car" you'll ever own is the one you got in your garage right now"...
 
Mazda5 didn't get driven. My wife's 37" inseams are simply too long.

Impreza was fine. A nice update but as I've has the Saab version I don't think I want the same thing. WRX otoh was very fast and nice and might be a good excuse to have the same car.

Legacy is my favorite sedan to date. According to the average mpg counter it got me a better average mpg rate than the Impreza on the same route. It's a good handling sedan even if a bit slower. Both Subis lacked guts.

Cx5 is where I'm leaning. A bit more expensive. Nice interior room. Very quiet. And the best average mpg on that route.

Time to line up the Koreans.
 
I'd suspect any Mustang testing is super secretive at this point. Especially if a major redesign is in the works.

Well, it used to be, if it was a major platform redesign, you'd see it out on the road in disguised form anywhere from a 6 months to a year before it's debut. Now, it would be disguised to the point that you couldn't really tell anything about it, other than the basics, but you could easily enough put together that the 2-door monster with dual-exhausts and very cladded-over and ill-fitting bodywork heading down Rotunda Drive means the next Mustang platform is in testing. :D (If you saw the same thing on Warren Rd., it means the next Camaro platform is in testing.)

I don't think they build those very early builds as much, anymore, though. I think they just simulate them. I'm not sure there IS a build before the one they drive out at the auto show.
 
@ilwrath,
Yes they'll drive around the car all cladded. Though rumors are the next Mustang is going to be focused on an international market. RWD for all countries not just the USA. Perhaps it's Ford Europe doing the work? As such it'd be in the USA shortly prior to announcement for a few tweaks.
 
Though rumors are the next Mustang is going to be focused on an international market. RWD for all countries not just the USA.

I've heard this, as well...

Perhaps it's Ford Europe doing the work?

I doubt it. It appears that production is still marked in for AutoAlliance Flat Rock plant. So with production here, they'll likely keep engineering here, as well. And there'd be too many engineers in Dearborn who would be really pissed about not getting to work on the next 'Stang. :D

As such it'd be in the USA shortly prior to announcement for a few tweaks.

True. Though even the European cars show up randomly. Amusingly, you see a couple Ka's running around once every few years.
 
The retro look isn't all that bad, but it needs to be done right. I think the Mustang and Camero retro looks suffered by the fact that they chose to do a retro interior as well. Neither car was famous for their great interiors, quite the opposite actually. They should have contrasted the old-school exterior with a slick and modern interior. And any status car that doesn't have projector headlights == FAIL!
 
The retro look isn't all that bad, but it needs to be done right. I think the Mustang and Camero retro looks suffered by the fact that they chose to do a retro interior as well. Neither car was famous for their great interiors, quite the opposite actually. They should have contrasted the old-school exterior with a slick and modern interior. And any status car that doesn't have projector headlights == FAIL!

Well, that's just the thing, right? Mustang was never supposed to be a status car. When you look at the heritage, Mustang was a cheap, fun car for driving the wheels off of. Drive it every day. Take off on a weekend trip with no planning. Take it to the local track. Beat the ever-lovin' heck out of it, and it cheerfully comes back and asks for more. That was Mustang. It all starts going pear-shaped when the manufacturers start trying to make a car into something it's not. You're not supposed to aspire to own a Mustang. It's entry level, irresponsible, fun.

And I totally agree that the retro interior was a bad joke. Gee, I really want gauges set so far in the dash that I can't even see them, let alone read at a glance... Because that was the way they were in my dad's generation. (facepalm) So there goes the performance market. And anyone looking for status symbol car definitely isn't going to be impressed by the miles of Fisher-Price grade plastic used.

Honestly, as a younger guy who bought my 2001 SVT Mustang new, I'd have thought I would have been their target demographic for the redesign. But I felt like the 2005+ design was a giant middle-finger toward me and my generation.
 
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