#notmywar

FluffyMcDeath said:
Jews can be Nazis.
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Another all time classic. I imagine Vlad's used that one more than once too. :p

Meanwhile, lots of chatter that War Gonzo was one of the unfortunate Russians caught in a trench yesterday. I stumbled across the footage of that attack and I'd recommend avoiding it, as it's pretty horrible. I'm not convinced it is War Gonzo but whoever it is appeared to be poorly trained and equipped (wearing trainers in a trench, ffs!), and had their life snuffed out in a split second.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671083479952441345
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Vlad may also have remarked that it's dark at night and that grass is green.
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Oh yes, because Jewish people being Nazis is as common as grass being green and it being dark at night.
Your previous comment is a bit closer to such bromides as:
black men can be Klans men.
Catholics can join the UVF.
Protestants can join the IRA.
Etc.
What any of that has to do with Vlad's "Zelensky isn't really a Jew" rambling is something you'll have to explain. Is he a bonafide-Jewish Nazi or a not-really-Jewish Nazi?
 
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Robert said:
... chatter that War Gonzo was one of the unfortunate Russians caught in a trench yesterday. I stumbled across the footage of that attack and I'd recommend avoiding it, as it's pretty horrible. I'm not convinced it is War Gonzo but whoever it is appeared to be poorly trained and equipped (wearing trainers in a trench, ffs!), and had their life snuffed out in a split second.
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Starting to look like it was him after all.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1670833494849732616
 
Robert said:
Oh yes, because Jewish people being Nazis is as common as grass being green and it being dark at night.
Your previous comment is a bit closer to such bromides as:
black men can be Klans men.
Catholics can join the UVF.
Protestants can join the IRA.
Etc.
What any of that has to do with Vlad's "Zelensky isn't really a Jew" rambling is something you'll have to explain. Is he a bonafide-Jewish Nazi or a not-really-Jewish Nazi?
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I didn't say "Zelensky isn't really a Jew" so I don't feel there is much to explain on that count.
However, you seem to have missed my point so I will explain that.

Putin's assertion that he is fighting Nazis may not be representative of his real military objectives, but it is at least true. The Azov battalions have long been criticized by the west for being full of Nazis as was the post coup government, Svoboda just being the rebranded Social-National Party of Ukraine whose symbol deliberately alluded to the Wolfsangel. This was not unknown to the western press , as in - was common knowledge, almost up to the eve of the war. Zelensky had very little influence over the Azov and other irregular battalions who got their funding and equipment from sources other than the government of Ukraine and when Zelensky visit the front lines to directly give them the order to stand down they told him to go eff himself. Ukraine does have a Nazi problem like Syria had an Isis problem and like Afghanistan has a Taliban problem but that doesn't mean large powers don't mind using them to bother their rivals when it is convenient.

The reason, I presume, that "Vlad" is quoted as saying that his Jewish friends don't think of Zelensky as a Jew is in response to the west's pathetic response to the fact that Ukrainian politics and forces are riddled with Nazis is to say "But Zelensky is a Jew". This is a non-sequitor and for several reasons, not merely confined to simple fact that Jews can be and have been Nazis. "My Jewish friends say he isn't a Jew" is only slightly less silly that "There can't be Nazis in Ukraine because the president is a Jew".

So is Putin "De-Nazifying" Ukraine the way that the US de-Nazified Germany or the way the US de-Bathified Iraq? No. Just the eastern bits, but also yes, by attrition since they are the most enthusiastic fighters. Ukraine is a proxy war, the Nazis make up a large portion of our irregular forces and Zelesnky is the beard. If Russian propaganda says as much, that doesn't make it untrue.
 
My Russian is nowhere near sufficient to verify if he really is saying this but, if he is, it's quite the statement. I know he's often deviated from the official propaganda before but I don't think quite to the "shelled civilians for 8 years is a lie" extent. Begs the obvious question of why he would lie about such a thing. But it also begs the less obvious question of why he would wait until now to tell the truth about it. Curious either way.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1672167612220862465
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Putin's assertion that he is fighting Nazis may not be representative of his real military objectives, but it is at least true. The Azov battalions have long been criticized by the west for being full of Nazis...
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Putin handed dozens of Azov prisoners back after capturing them. You remarked that they were "probably Americans" at the time but I'm sure even you'd concede that to send some captured Nazis back to Ukraine is a strange way to go about de-Nazifying it.
FluffyMcDeath said:
Ukraine does have a Nazi problem
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As does Russia.
The "Nazi" excuse for this invasion was utterly bogus from the get-go and it's weird how invasion apologists still cling to it.
 
Robert said:
My Russian is nowhere near sufficient to verify if he really is saying this but, if he is, it's quite the statement. I know he's often deviated from the official propaganda before but I don't think quite to the "shelled civilians for 8 years is a lie" extent. Begs the obvious question of why he would lie about such a thing. But it also begs the less obvious question of why he would wait until now to tell the truth about it. Curious either way.
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A little less curious now. I knew it was something a wee bit out of the ordinary but didn't expect an attempt coup.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1672503429782986753
https://twitter.com/x/status/1672501365191368711
 
Prigozhin has released a statement. Despite claiming the other day that the reasons given for the invasion were lies, he nonetheless reckons he'd have taken Kiev in a day. Also said he never intended to overthrow the regime (as before, assuming the translation is accurate).
https://twitter.com/x/status/1673345645032112131
 
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Robert said:
Turns out the Russian invasion force left Kiev when they were "asked" as they only want peace. :confused:
If they'd just remove themselves from the rest of the country, perhaps they could have it.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1685253138972839936
Instead, Putin continues to whine about "terrorism" any time Ukraine has the audacity to retaliate.
And Medvedev is threatening nuclear armageddon.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1685720156167921664
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The Eastern Oblasts have the right to self determination and they have voted to be part of Russia and they did this long before the Russian invasion after Ukraine attacked them.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
The Eastern Oblasts have the right to self determination and they have voted to be part of Russia and they did this long before the Russian invasion after Ukraine attacked them.
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Russia was interfering there long before that. But you know that.
 
Robert said:
Russia was interfering there long before that. But you know that.
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And so were the west. But it was 2014 when they went from old fashioned corruption to running a color revolution with transparent US government backing.
 
Robert said:
Medvedev seems to be hitting the voddy even harder than usual. Much of the world is disputed territory if you go by this 'logic'.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1691545649299304448
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Go grab your rifle then and pitch in, and if you come back, on the upside you'll be used to rough sleeping because, despite your service, you'll still be the wrong colour to get subsidized housing.
The people of East Ukraine that voted to join Russia deserve to be Russian for better of worse. We have no right to "save" them.
 
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