Obama decides to bomb his terrorists

Glaucus said:
Negotiations might at some point be how peace is restored but before that can happen the many factions must be reduced to a more manageable amount and in Syria that's only gonna happen by killing them off and killing off [...]
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Or by allowing them to amalgamate, or by allowing them to negotiate or whatever, but we can't let that happen because we have a political need to pick the winners because that was the whole point of starting the war.
 
metalman said:
These are the women to support in their "negotiations" with IS

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they are in Kobane now, the comander in Kobane is a woman ( Nalin Afrin )
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Kobane will prove to be the graveyard of ISIS. The town is of no real strategic importance to anyone, but ISIS appears to be sending a lot of resources that way. Exactly what the US needs to pick them off using air power. Strategically a very bad move on ISIS' part and is likely to be the real turning point at least in the PR wars. ISIS has taken other towns recently and slaughtered hundreds of civilians in the past few weeks but we only hear about Kobane for now. I find it all quite sad and depressing but Kobani will go down in history as one of the great stand offs.

Btw, I read somewhere that it is believed that if a jihadist is killed by a woman, he is denied paradise and his 72 virgins. This makes an ISIS defeat to the hands of the Kurdish women fighters that much more painful. All those dead jihadists and none of them a martyr. What a waste.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Or by allowing them to amalgamate, or by allowing them to negotiate or whatever, but we can't let that happen because we have a political need to pick the winners because that was the whole point of starting the war.
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Well, you can continue to toss out assertions like that all you like, but no one really buys that fluffy. That trick might work with the morons you hang out with, but most people are above that.
 
Glaucus said:
Well, you can continue to toss out assertions like that all you like, but no one really buys that fluffy. That trick might work with the morons you hang out with, but most people are above that.
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Why, then, do you we believe have been so interested in toppling Syria since before September 11th (despite the fact that Assad obediently let the US torture its prisoners in his facilities)?
 
Want to know how much we love the Kurds? The PKK is still a registered terrorist organization and we help Turkey kill them.

There aren't just many competing factions on the ground in the middle east - there are many within our own bureaucracies.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Yes, hospitals would fall under the infrastructure category generally since they are important for maintaining a population. That is why it is a war crime to bomb them.
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the Kurds blew up the hospital, they acted like the building was their HQ, let ISIS take over the building, then they blew it up
 
Robert said:
Whether or not the US had any previous involvement in arming IS, it looks like they're inadvertently doing so now.
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You're almost sounding like those Republicans who feel vindicated about their claims that Saddam had WMD. ISIS has tanks, heavy artillery, armored vehicles and supposedly even 3 fighter jets. An extra box or two of hand grenades and some amo is more a PR victory than anything that will materialize on the battlefield.
 
metalman said:
the Kurds blew up the hospital, they acted like the building was their HQ, let ISIS take over the building, then they blew it up
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I found another article containing an interview with a Dr who was in Kobani at the time. The hospital was hit but not by an airstrike as I thought but by ISIS rockets. Apparently they also blew up a lot of buildings as they retreated from some parts of Kobani.
 
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FluffyMcDeath said:
We call boys and men over 15 legitimate targets - especially if we drop a rifle by their corpse afterwards. Oh yes, and we like to kill them with $100,000 missiles because that's civilized.
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The reason most people don't buy this kind of moral equivalence is because they are not equivalent. Targeting a known terrorist who's intent is to murder innocent people including women and children is on a totally different level from rounding up all males in a village and executing them. You know the US is fully capable of doing something that is morally equivalent to that and they could use bombs much cheaper to do that. Those expensive bombs they use are expensive not because of any extra killing capability but because of their pin point accuracy and accuracy is what differentiates them from the cheap, dumb bombs they could use to wipe out an entire town in one go.

And oh yeah, the US bombs don't then also sell the wives and daughters of the dead guys as sex slaves.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Why, then, do you we believe have been so interested in toppling Syria since before September 11th?
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Wow, you're right! What was I thinking? And of course we all know who really planned 9/11? It's the same ones that benefit from the Syrian war and the rise of ISIS. Yep, those darned Jews!

You know you sound a lot like that crazy guy on YouTube, Brother Nathanael. You're both crazy conspiracy theorists that attempt to convince everyone of your stupid ideas that make no logical sense. And you both even have your own YouTube channel! Heck, you both even have stupid looking beards but he at least has a better costume to go with it.
 
Glaucus said:
You're both crazy conspiracy theorists that attempt to convince everyone of your stupid ideas that make no logical sense.
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But your conspiracy theories are all sane. Fair enough. I disagree. I think my viewpoint has more explanatory power.

Now I have to say that the brother is sporting some fine facial hair and he has at least produced some evidence (I will agree to the term 'cherry picked', but still interesting and suggestive) but I think I see what your problem is with him. He seems to have confused a criminal cabal of Jews with "The Jews", but so have you. It seems that whenever anyone points out something unsavoury about someone who happens to be Jewish you automatically assume that means that all Jews are unsavoury in the same way - or you believe that is what was claimed. That would be the same sort of argument people used to use against those who objected to the Bush/Cheney war on Iraq. If you didn't like what Bush/Cheney were doing then you were clearly un-American, or anti-American. Yup. Think that bombing Iraq was wrong, clearly you are an American-hater, because the crooks at the top are always typical representatives of their nation.

I thoroughly enjoy your insults and your attempts to smear and strawman. Truly, I really can't do anything but take it in the best humour.
 
Glaucus said:
You're both crazy conspiracy theorists that attempt to convince everyone of your stupid ideas that make no logical sense. And you both even have your own YouTube channel! Heck, you both even have stupid looking beards ....
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Hahaha.
I've been clean shaven for awhile but now I know that you think Beard + YouTube channel = Crazy conspiracy theorist, I'll be growing it back, starting today.

And thank you for paying such close attention. :pint:
 
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