Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize for what?!

ltstanfo said:
It really does appear as if the Nobel committee sought to, as Bill Mahr recently stated (I paraphrase), "recognize its not Bush". If this becomes the case (and for now it appears that way to me) then this award will take a very long time to regain my respect.
Although I agree that they should not have awarded Obama this award, (at least not at this point in time) the idea that they gave it to him simply because he's not Bush seems to reveal how much anxiety Bush caused to people throughout the world.
 
Glaucus said:
Although I agree that they should not have awarded Obama this award, (at least not at this point in time) the idea that they gave it to him simply because he's not Bush seems to reveal how much anxiety Bush caused to people throughout the world.

You do raise an interesting thought. That being said, I find such statements amusing. When Reagan was president everyone was convinced the world would end... it didn't. When Thatcher was PM there were certainly those how disliked her and thought she would be the end of the UK... she apparently was not. When Bush (Jr) was president, there were those who thought he would be the end... he was not. Likewise, there were those who thought Clinton would be the end of the US and he wasn't. Hmm... see a pattern here world? :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
ltstanfo said:
You do raise an interesting thought. That being said, I find such statements amusing. When Reagan was president everyone was convinced the world would end... it didn't. When Thatcher was PM there were certainly those how disliked her and thought she would be the end of the UK... she apparently was not. When Bush (Jr) was president, there were those who thought he would be the end... he was not. Likewise, there were those who thought Clinton would be the end of the US and he wasn't. Hmm... see a pattern here world? :wink:
And many were worried about Hitler in 1938.
 
ltstanfo said:
When Thatcher was PM there were certainly those how disliked her and thought she would be the end of the UK...

She was.
 
Glaucus said:
And many were worried about Hitler in 1938.

And yet even he was not the end of the world... although he probably came closer than anyone in in the last 100 years (IMO).

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
ltstanfo said:
When Thatcher was PM there were certainly those how disliked her and thought she would be the end of the UK...

She was.

Dammit fluffy I've told you already: Stay out of my mind :lol: :P
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
ltstanfo said:
When Thatcher was PM there were certainly those how disliked her and thought she would be the end of the UK...

She was.

Still the most despised person in Scotland.
 
ltstanfo said:
I find it very disappointing that the Nobel Peace Prize has apparently been reduced to a simple political tool.

T'was ever thus. Certainy for the last 30-odd years:

Kissinger
Begin
Peres
Arafat
Rabin

Absurd though Obama winning is, an award for each of the murdering bastards listed above is far more absurd, in my not-humble-at-all opinion.
 
Robert said:
FluffyMcDeath said:
ltstanfo said:
When Thatcher was PM there were certainly those how disliked her and thought she would be the end of the UK...

She was.

Still the most despised person in Scotland.

As ever, young Frankie has the final say on the matter:

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Nobel jury speaks out in defense of Obama prize

By IAN MacDOUGALL and KARL RITTER

OSLO - One judge noted with surprise that President Barack Obama "didn't look particularly happy" at being named the Nobel Peace Prize laureate. Another marveled at how critics could be so patronizing.

In a rare public defense of a process normally shrouded in secrecy, four of the Nobel jury's five judges spoke out Tuesday about a selection they said was both merited and unanimous.

To those who say a Nobel is too much too soon in Obama's young presidency, "We simply disagree ... He got the prize for what he has done," committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland told The Associated Press by telephone from Strasbourg, France, where he was attending meetings of the Council of Europe.

Jagland singled out Obama's efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe.

"All these things have contributed to - I wouldn't say a safer world - but a world with less tension," he said.

For nine-year Nobel committee veteran Inger-Marie Ytterhorn, Obama's demeanor spoke volumes when he first acknowledged the award during a news conference Friday on the lawn of the White House Rose Garden.

"I looked at his face when he was on TV and confirmed that he would receive the prize and would come to Norway, and he didn't look particularly happy," she told the AP by telephone.

"Obama has a lot of problems internally in the United States and they seem to be increasing. Unemployment, health care reform: They are a problem for him," she said.

She acknowledged there was a risk the prize might backfire on Obama by raising expectations even higher and giving ammunition to his critics. "It might hamper him," Ytterhorn said, because it could distract from domestic issues.

Still, she added: "Whenever we award the peace prize, there is normally a big debate about it" so the Obama controversy was not unexpected.

It was unusual, however, for the Nobel jury to speak out so candidly about their selection.

Even the most seasoned Nobel watchers were surprised by Obama's Nobel - they hadn't expected the U.S. president, who took office barely two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline, to be seriously considered until at least next year.

Jagland said that was never an issue for the Nobel committee, which followed the guidelines set forth by Alfred Nobel, the Swedish industrialist and inventor of dynamite who established the prize in his 1895 will.

"Alfred Nobel wrote that the prize should go to the person who has contributed most to the development of peace in the previous year," Jagland said.

"Who has done more for that than Barack Obama?"

Aagot Valle, a left-wing Norwegian politician who joined the Nobel panel this year, also dismissed suggestions that Obama was undeserving of the honor.

"Don't you think that comments like that patronize Obama? Where do these people come from?" Valle said from the coastal city of Bergen. "Well, of course, all arguments have to be considered seriously. I'm not afraid of a debate on the Peace Prize decision. That's fine."

World leaders have reacted positively to Obama's Nobel in most cases, the committee said, with much of the criticism coming from the media and Obama's political rivals.

"I take note of it. My response is only the judgment of the committee, which was unanimous," Jagland said.

In announcing the award Friday, the committee, whose members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, applauded the change in global mood brought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation. They also praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease U.S. conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen the U.S. role in combating climate change.

The White House declined comment on the Nobel judge's latest statements.

However, Obama expressed surprise and humility at Friday's news conference, saying the prize should be considered not a "recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations."

Nobel Peace Prize selections have often been surrounded by fierce debate. Controversial awards include the 1994 prize shared by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli leaders Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin for Mideast peace efforts, as well as the joint prize to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and North Vietnamese negotiator Le Duc Tho for a 1973 cease-fire agreement. The Vietnam War continued for two more years.

So the Nobel jury "expected that there would be a discussion" about Obama's award, said Kaci Kullman Five, a former Conservative Party parliamentarian and longtime Nobel committee member.

Valle said the criticism shouldn't overshadow important issues raised by Obama's Nobel.

"Of course I expected disagreement and debate on ... giving him the prize," she said. "But what I want now is that we seriously raise a discussion regarding nuclear disarmament."
 
Re: Nobel jury speaks out in defense of Obama prize

cecilia said:
By IAN MacDOUGALL and KARL RITTER

... He got the prize for what he has done," committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland told The Associated Press by telephone from Strasbourg, France, where he was attending meetings of the Council of Europe.

Jagland singled out Obama's efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe.

"All these things have contributed to - I wouldn't say a safer world - but a world with less tension," he said.

(sections omitted for sanity)

"Of course I expected disagreement and debate on ... giving him the prize," she said. "But what I want now is that we seriously raise a discussion regarding nuclear disarmament."

First, thank you Cecilia for providing that info. Now at least I have an understanding of "why" the Nobel committee felt President Obama was "worthy". All that being said, allow me to continue...

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

What planet are these people from?! :shock:

I have to (genuinely) ask, how exactly has Obama "healed" the divide between the west and the Muslim world? One speech in Egypt? I would point out that since that (apparent) landmark occasion, there have been plenty in the Muslim world who (still) decry Obama or have recently made claims that he is not what they thought (not agreeing or disagreeing.. just pointing out).

And the missile shield "issue" in Europe? What a load of BS! As others have pointed out (besides me), that installation was a political card and both the US and Russia knew it. It was worth some PR (on both sides) and a chance to make some noise. Nothing more. As someone who works on missile defense I can easily assure you that both parties, as well as NATO knew exactly what that system (in its now canceled form) would be capable of and what it could not do. There was never any (real) risk of increasing arms in that region. That anyone uses this item as a ground for Obama's award is both ignorant (of the facts) and frankly amusing (in a sadly ironic way). I must point out that there are still plans for a European "shield", just in a different (shorter range and response) capability. Sleep well Europe... sleep well. :roll:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Re: Nobel jury speaks out in defense of Obama prize

cecilia said:
By IAN MacDOUGALL and KARL RITTER

...and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe...


HA! I told you so :banana:

Russia Warns US on Missile Defense

So, back to politics (as if there was ever anything else) and once again, Obama (IMO) shows his inexperience. The Russians are really enjoying themselves...

I would remind everyone that the Russians already know what our plans are... the current administration saw to that when they made their last missile defense announcement. :roll:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Re: Nobel jury speaks out in defense of Obama prize

ltstanfo said:
I have to (genuinely) ask, how exactly has Obama "healed" the divide between the west and the Muslim world?

Where do they say he healed it?

And the missile shield "issue" in Europe? What a load of BS! As others have pointed out (besides me), that installation was a political card and both the US and Russia knew it.

I for one was glad he jettisoned that nonsense.

Don't get me wrong, I think his award in silly but I completely disagree with your reasoning.
 
Re: Nobel jury speaks out in defense of Obama prize

Robert said:
Where do they say he healed it?

Robert, please see the original post by Cecilia where "Jagland singled out Obama's efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe."

Robert said:
Don't get me wrong, I think his award in silly but I completely disagree with your reasoning.

And that is fine. We can disagree with my reasoning because in the end we both find his award silly. :mrgreen:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Re: Nobel jury speaks out in defense of Obama prize

ltstanfo said:
Robert said:
Where do they say he healed it?

Robert, please see the original post by Cecilia where "Jagland singled out Obama's efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe."

There's a very big difference between 'efforts to heal' and 'heal'. No one said he healed it. (Well, apart from your good self. ;-))

in the end we both find his award silly.

That we do. :pint:
 
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Thanks for the political cartoon Fluffy.

Oh the irony. He spoke of much, promised change and now, seems alot like his predecessor (with regards to Afghanistan / Iraq - as one recent critic stated).

How's that hope and change working out folks?

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Time man of the year should be ... George W Bush... mostly for enabling Obama to get the Nobel.
 
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