Obama's 2012 Campaign Theme

metalman said:
Not having a job makes people poor
No Job creation => High Unemployment => household income reduced => more poor
basic economics 101
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Let's forget about the fact the the wealthiest people in the world don't actually need jobs to be wealthy and just follow along with your argument here.
Why do they have no jobs? How did they lose their jobs and why is there no new job creation. How would jobs be created, i.e. what are the conditions necessary to create jobs?
 
Fade said:
Metalman said
GM headed for bankruptcy ... Again!



Opel in Europe
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Europe is in the crapper and that is somehow GM's fault? Meanwhile GM did well, according to that article, in other regions? Was that because of Romney or something or what is your point? GM did well in two markets but your take home from that article was that it didn't do well in a region that is currently an economic basket case?
 
faethor said:
What I like about this chart is it shows Jan-2009-Fall 2009 period. Obama was sworn in and the Country was running under the last Bush approved Budget during this time. It wasn't until Fall 2009 when the first full Obama signed Budget was in effect..
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the last Bush approved Budget was 2007, Democrats held most of the 2008 spending bills for Obama to sign

Say when was the last time the Democrats actually passed an actual Budget???
You know like the "theoretical" budget process???

faethor said:
Strangely giving lower taxes to the wealthy isn't encouraging them to hire more people? Creating more trickle down will result in the same... aka no trickle down.
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Massive amounts of paper work is pretty effective at killing any thought of hiring in a small business

faethor said:
As for Food Stamps you do realize that Jesus told us that in the end times all nations must stand before God. And that Christ is most in us when we take care of the weakest and downtrodden in our societies. Do you not want the nation to do God's work and take care of our impoverished? Along with caring for the poor Jesus also said there will be poor always.
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Jesus didn't say that we should petition Cesar to require Good Samaritans to take care of the poor
Jesus taught generosity and charity were a personal responsibility
beside the Romans built lots of roads
 
Fluffy pondered:
"GM did well in two markets but your take home from that article was that it didn't do well in a region that is currently an economic basket case?"
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Well, since you don't seem to have a clue of your own, maybe you can buy one!
GM has lost money in Europe for 13 straight years. Years ago it was investors money that was being lost in Europe, now that it is GovernmentMotors, it is the American tax payers that are subsidizing German Unions.
If it were Canadian tax payers, you would be screaming your head off!
 
Fade said:
GM has lost money in Europe for 13 straight years.
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Oh well, when you put it like that it makes it sound like it's Obama's fault.

So for over a decade they lost investors money in Europe and now that the government is the biggest investor they have decided to fix the Europe business. Nonetheless they have made a profit overall when you include the other markets which proves beyond a doubt that ... they lost money?
 
metalman said:
the last Bush approved Budget was 2007, Democrats held most of the 2008 spending bills for Obama to sign
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Dems held some 2009 spending which Obama signed in March 2009. 2009 Budget was based on Bush requested monies.

Say when was the last time the Democrats actually passed an actual Budget???
You know like the "theoretical" budget process??
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Let's be honest here it's everyone's job in Congress to get this done. Being it was not done everyone in Congress must accept this failure. Both should be negotiating. It appears you only want Dems to kowtow to Republicans.

Massive amounts of paper work is pretty effective at killing any thought of hiring in a small business
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Yeah the small business owner sees that he can make even more money by hiring more people but man that paperwork takes away those thousands of dollars of increased profits so they don't do it. Dream on.

Jesus didn't say that we should petition Cesar to require Good Samaritans to take care of the poor
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Nor did Jesus say we can't petition Ceasar.

I think we should take a look at this so called generosity. Christians give to churches, mostly. Churches are fairly poor ROI on 'charity' after operating expenses, salaries, etc. is paid out about 3% of the 10% (.3% of giving) is left that goes directly to helping people (food shelves, clothing etc.) Whereas the Government about 24% goes to Medicare, 20% to Social Security, 19% more goes in part to other protections such as weather forecasting, scientific research, Food quality inspection. -- Clearly a much higher % of each dollar from the gov goes directly to helping people than does one's church dollar. Jesus said if the needy asked for our shirt then we should give him our coat as well. To me this means God is even more appreciative when we do more for our brothers on the planet. Since my dollar goes farther towards generosity in taxes than it does with the local churches I think Jesus will say good choice as it kept better care of my brother. (Do note some people see the military as building Democracy around the world as a good so perhaps even more of that $ is doing good. I take exception to the killing aspect there as 'god's will'. )

Jesus taught generosity and charity were a personal responsibility
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Strange then that he said the nations would be judged by God. You think if he didn't expect nations to follow his 'god-like' principles that he wouldn't tell us he was judging them.

beside the Romans built lots of roads
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And had a nation that lasted a thousand years compared to the few hundred of the USA.
 
Yeah Fluffy, it is Obama's fault.
What did he do? Before GM could get the bailout money, Obama made it a requirement that some US retail dealers (non union type jobs) be shuttered if they were not making enough profit for GM. But it wasn't a requirement for GM Europe who hasn't made a profit in 13 years.

Now tell me again why it isn't Obama's fault that American tax payers are subsidizing German Unions.
 
Fade said:
Yeah Fluffy, it is Obama's fault.
What did he do? Before GM could get the bailout money, Obama made it a requirement that some US retail dealers (non union type jobs) be shuttered if they were not making enough profit for GM. But it wasn't a requirement for GM Europe who hasn't made a profit in 13 years.
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Obama did?
Now tell me again why it isn't Obama's fault that American tax payers are subsidizing German Unions.
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Because GM was already doing that as a company for 13 years. But I guess you aren't mad about that because when they were losing money before, they were doing it in a free market way.
 
Nope, not mad at all. That's the way the free market works. You invest your money in a company for the rewards. If it fails, your hurt, not the tax payers. Wouldn't have it any other way.
 
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Nope, not mad at all. That's the way the free market works. You invest your money in a company for the rewards. If it fails, your hurt, not the tax payers. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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Which is exactly why the Reagan then Bush bailout for banks was all wrong and we should have gone the way of Iceland!
 
faethor said:
Which is exactly why the Reagan then Bush bailout for banks was all wrong and we should have gone the way of Iceland!
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banks were not bailed out, they were taken over for being insolvent by the FDIC
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Some of the little ones were. Really big ones got freebies.
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Not during the FDIC bank take overs during Reagan, Bush 41, and Clinton

during the TARP bailout there were Fed Engineered Bank (& brokerage) mergers where banks were given exemptions from liquidity requirements because after merger the merged banks no longer meet liquidity requirements.
 
ROFL Obama answering questions on Reddit!

I am Barack Obama, President of the United States -- AMA

? I am recent law school graduate. Despite graduating from a top school, I find myself unemployed with a large student loan debt burden. While I'm sure my immediate prospects will improve in time, it's difficult to be optimistic about the future knowing that my ability to live a productive life -- to have a fulfilling career, to buy a house, to someday raise a family -- is hampered by my debt and the bleak economic outlook for young people. I know that I'm not alone in feeling this way. Many of us are demoralized. Your 2008 campaign was successful in large part due to the efforts of younger demographics. We worked for you, we campaigned for you, and we turned out in record numbers to vote for you. What can I say to encourage those in similar situations as I am to show up again in November? What hope can you offer us for your second term? ---

? as a drug user, the fact that drugs are illegal has acted only to decrease the amount of money that I'm able to inject into our economy, instead I'm handing it over to Mexican cartels and other illegal operations. I would love to walk into a pharmacy and buy everything I'd like over the counter. I'm no less a productive citizen than I was before my drug use, but the cost of the drugs is just about the only thing presently endangering my said productive status. ---

Not too many answers from OP yet :jerry:


next 4chan!
 
what says “respect for women” more than dressing up as a giant dancing vagina?

 
@Metalman, When challening your opposition it's good to pick the tool they most fear. I'd say Code Pink succeeded in meeting that goal.
 
faethor said:
@Metalman, When challening your opposition it's good to pick the tool they most fear. I'd say Code Pink succeeded in meeting that goal.
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as you know when the racists, sexists, etc haters marginalize all the people that aren't LIKE THEM, Those marginalized people take that hate and change it into a positve.

"Gay" becomes an aggressively happy name. "Black is beautiful" was a statement of positivity. Same with "Black Power".
Same with women taking back the "bitch", "cunt", and other terms. They make it their own and take it away from the scum losers who are afraid of their power.

I learned in Grammar school that when you are considered nothing, you have Nothing to lose. So do Anything you want. Don't let the scum intimidate you to inaction. The scum sexists already have no respect for you, so why try to play their asshole game sucking up to them?

It's why I was a success in my career. I paid NO attention to anyone who didn't appreciate my talents. I just walked. I never took "No" as a useful comment. And I ignored all the losers who thought they could get into my pants. If you don't respect my intellect you certainly aren't going to see anything else I might have.
 
and, btw, just because a bunch of ladies do one thing to make themselves feel powerful in this world doesn't mean I have to agree with all their ideas. I just respect their right to have them.

The vagina dance may be cute but I have found too many gals are all about the Political Correctness which, as you guys know, I find to be a HUGE GIANT bore. Not to mention just lying.
 
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