Obama's Unhelpful advice

[metalman]

At Wednesday’s town hall in Atkinson, Ill., a local farmer who said he grows corn and soybeans expressed his concerns to [URL='http://topics.politico.com/index.cfm/topic/BarackObama']President Barack Obama about “more rules and regulations” — including those concerning dust, noise and water runoff — that he heard would negatively affect his business.[/url]

He is concerns could also include:

CAFE standards for big rig trucks, and farm equipment

DOT requirements for CDL licensees, HazMat paperwork, and DOT log books to operate farm equipment

the EPA is considering that, since milk contains oil, it has the authority to force farmers to comply with new regulations to file "emergency management" plans to show how they will cope with spilled milk, how farmers will train "first responders" and build "containment facilities" if there is a flood of spilled milk.

Obama's jobs program is to smother businesses with needless paper work, requiring more government employees for enforcement of new regulations! Government agencies will need more workers to inspect farms, inspect farmers' paperwork and fine and prosecute farmers who don't have all inspection reports filed in triplicate on a daily basis. All of this will be "creating jobs," even if the money removed from the private sector correspondingly reduces the 3 times the jobs that can be created by the government.

 

[metalman]

Obama’s EPA aims to reduce the acceptable level of ozone from 75 parts per billion to between 60 and 70 parts per billion.
The proposed EPA ozone standards are impossible to attain. The levels for ozone are so close to natural ‘background’ levels, that background levels of ozone exceed the proposed standard, placing those areas in permanent non-attainment. So areas like Yellowstone National Park are going to be permanent non-attainment.”

Ozone: The EPA’s Latest Assault on Jobs and the Economy
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[FluffyMcDeath]

Obama's jobs program is to smother businesses with needless paper work, [...]

It smothers SMALL business. Big business likes these kind of regs because they can easily afford to comply (or cheat) since they can amortize the costs over many sites. What the big producers like the most is that it forces the little guys out of business and then their assets can be bought cheap.

 

[metalman]

It smothers SMALL business. Big business likes these kind of regs because they can easily afford to comply (or cheat) since they can amortize the costs over many sites. What the big producers like the most is that it forces the little guys out of business and then their assets can be bought cheap.

Yes, you are correct!
Big Labor can't exist without Big Business and all Obama's policies are designed to help unions to the detriment of small business

It's a feature, not a bug.

But since small business is the job creator in the US he's now "being hoisted by his own petard" to quote Hamlet

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Yes, you are correct!
Big Labor can't exist without Big Business and all Obama's policies are designed to help unions to the detriment of small business

Big business has been booming for the last couple of decades and big labour has been getting reamed.

Big business likes it when small business fails to compete and big business likes it when big labour loses. Come on, metalman. Spot the common factor - who just keeps on winning.

 

[metalman]

Eric Cantor: Obama should stop killing jobs with new regulations

the Obama administration’s anti-business, hyper-regulatory, pro-tax agenda has fueled economic uncertainty and sent the message that the administration “wants to make it harder to create jobs.” There is no other conclusion for policies such as the new Environmental Protection Agency regulations, including the “Transport Rule,” which could eliminate thousands of jobs, or the ozone regulation that would cost upward of $1 trillion and millions of jobs in the construction industry over the next decade. The administration’s new maximum achievable control technology standards for cement are expected to affect nearly 100 cement plants, setting over-the-top requirements resulting in increased costs and possibly thousands of jobs being offshored. There is the president’s silence as the National Labor Relations Board seeks to prevent Boeing from opening a plant in South Carolina that would create thousands of jobs. Such behavior, coupled with the president’s insistence on raising the top tax rate paid by individuals and small businesses, has resulted in a lag in growth that has added to the debt crisis, contributing to our nation’s credit downgrade.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Eric Cantor: Obama should stop killing jobs with new regulations

So
Premise a) Obama wants to help big business so as to help big labour.
Premise b) Obama is anti-business

Conclusion: Protecting the environment is bad.

The Boeing plant wouldn't create thousands of jobs - just move them. And the rape of the US financial system is not, apparently, the cause of economic uncertainty but regulations to protect the environment are.

Good old Free Trade loving Eric Cantor. We all know how well that Free Trade has been working out.

 

[Dammy]

So
Premise a) Obama wants to help big business so as to help big labour.
Premise b) Obama is anti-business

You are close, it's both. Obama is only going to give massive corporate welfare to the mega-corps that are driven by the Global Elites. What you are missing is that these unions are a big business themselves. Once things are where the Global Elites are at, the US Government will just nationalize the unions. All the other business is to be destroyed in favor of the mega corps. One thing I've noticed that Progressives fail to talk about, or possibly realize themselves, Big Business loves Big Government if they can make a deal. Big Business doesn't mind the mega regulations if it freezes out new competition leaving on a select few to divide out the market share among themselves. That is what the Progressive movement is all about, a Government-Corporation Union. "Too Big To Fail" and government deciding on how things are to be for the little guy who is forced to pay those taxes and buy those selective products.

Conclusion: Protecting the environment is bad.

This is especially true of federal facilities which are some of the most polluted land in the US.

The Boeing plant wouldn't create thousands of jobs - just move them. And the rape of the US financial system is not, apparently, the cause of economic uncertainty but regulations to protect the environment are.

Good old Free Trade loving Eric Cantor. We all know how well that Free Trade has been working out.

If Boeing wants to move to another part of the US, let them. It's better then them moving their last manufacturing jobs to their Co-Op in China.

So as far as you Canadians are concerned, how is Obama's Hope and Change working out for you in your financial markets?

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

One thing I've noticed that Progressives fail to talk about, or possibly realize themselves, Big Business loves Big Government if they can make a deal.

Really? Are you serious? You've never heard progressives talk about this? Since the 1800's not even once? You actually think you are on the opposite side of this debate from progressives? You have been so had - but thanks for clearing that up.

 

[metalman]

Federal agents are in the process of raiding the offices of the Nashville-based Gibson Guitar Corporation.

The Obama feds raided Gibson looking for "undocumented wood"

The Lacey Act now makes it unlawful to import, export, transport, sell, receive, acquire, or purchase in interstate or foreign commerce any plant, with some limited exceptions, taken in violation of the laws of a U.S. State, or any foreign law that protects plants. The Lacey Act also makes it unlawful to make or submit any false record, account or label for, or any false identification of, any plant.

The definition of the term "plant" includes "any wild member of the plant kingdom, including roots, seeds, parts, and products thereof, and including trees from either natural or planted forest stands."

All wood is now federally regulated, suspect substance. Raw lumber, or anything made of wood, from tables and chairs, to flooring, siding, particle board, to handles on knives, baskets, chopsticks, or even toothpicks has to have a label naming the genus and species of the tree that it came from and the country of origin. Incorrect labeling becomes a federal felony, and the law does not just apply to wood entering the country going through customs, but any wood that is transported in interstate commerce within the country.

 

[redrumloa]

Federal agents are in the process of raiding the offices of the Nashville-based Gibson Guitar Corporation.

The Obama feds raided Gibson looking for "undocumented wood"

All wood is now federally regulated, suspect substance. Raw lumber, or anything made of wood, from tables and chairs, to flooring, siding, particle board, to handles on knives, baskets, chopsticks, or even toothpicks has to have a label naming the genus and species of the tree that it came from and the country of origin. Incorrect labeling becomes a federal felony, and the law does not just apply to wood entering the country going through customs, but any wood that is transported in interstate commerce within the country.

Insanity

 

[metalman]

It's not enough to know that the body of your old guitar is made of spruce and maple: What's the bridge made of? If it's ebony, do you have the paperwork to show when and where that wood was harvested and when and where it was made into a bridge? Is the nut holding the strings at the guitar's headstock bone, or could it be ivory? "Even if you have no knowledge—despite Herculean efforts to obtain it—that some piece of your guitar, no matter how small, was obtained illegally, you lose your guitar forever," Prof. Thomas has written. "Oh, and you'll be fined $250 for that false (or missing) information in your Lacey Act Import Declaration."

 

[faethor]

Article 1, section 8, 3rd clause establishes the right of Congress "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". So it would appear to be legal within the US Constitution itself to make a cooresponding legal Declaration that we will not allow imports of materials from nations who ban those exports of materials. As with any law if there is suspect of misdoing an investigation should take place. Often this takes the form of seizure of materials, consequntial findings, and even a day in court. And 'no knowledge' is not an excuse. Ignornance of a law does not guarantee you're free to not heed the law.

 

[metalman]

Obama DOJ interpreting and enforcing foreign law!

The Lacey acts prohibits trade or commerce in any timber harvested illegally, including in violation of the laws of ANOTHER country. Even if the laws in the external country are vague, or even never enforced.

This is problematic. In India, for example, ex-post facto laws are allowed.

“The Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. has decided that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department’s interpretation of a law in India. (If the same wood from the same tree was finished by Indian workers, the material would be considered legal by the DOJ.) This action was taken without the support and consent of the government in India."[/quote]

Looks like Obama is trying to force Gibson Guitar to relocate to India ....

The Obama adminstration won't enforce our own immigration laws and will even take the States to court if they try to do so, but will go out of it's way to interpret and enforce the laws of another country

 

[metalman]

'no knowledge' is not an excuse. Ignornance of a law does not guarantee you're free to not heed the law.

But what happens when law enforcement officials don't know the law? What happens when they illegally detain, arrest, and charge you even though you've done nothing wrong? Unlike you, their ignorance doesn't result in arrest or jail. And unless the violation is pretty egregious, they're unlikely to be punished for it.

 

[faethor]

Obama DOJ interpreting and enforcing foreign law!

The USA has done this for generations. We've enforced bans on ivory, for example. And if nations want good relationships with other nations they should be doing this. It's part of respecting a nations soverignty. Would you be happy to hear of Russia neglecting US laws and instead buying things from a US black market? Of course you wouldn't. Because this action would be undermining the power of the US gov to establish rules.

Looks like Obama is trying to force Gibson Guitar to relocate to India ....

If Gibson manufactures in India using illegal materials in India and tries to import them I'd assume they'd still be illegal in the US.

The Obama adminstration won't enforce our own immigration laws and will even take the States to court if they try to do so, but will go out of it's way to interpret and enforce the laws of another country

I'll bite. What evidence do you have that illegal immigration laws are now less enforced than they were 3-5 years ago?

As for police that don't know the laws I'd agree we should be harsher there. And there should be some restitution paid to the victims that were injuried due to wrongful detainment. There should be some penality paid by the police and their superiors who typically would approve such a raid to occur. It's problem we've had for 200+ years.

Or maybe you could buy them a book?

 

[metalman]

Or maybe you could buy them a book?

If Indian rosewood in question is illegal contraband in the eyes of Obama’s DOJ, then Michelle Obama is just as guilty of illegal trafficking as Gibson.

First Lady Michelle Obama presented France’s First Lady, Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, with a [URL='http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Acoustic-Instruments/Square-Shoulder/Gibson-Acoustic/Hummingbird.aspx']Gibson Hummingbird acoustic guitar “ as a sign of friendship”[/url]

[URL='http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Acoustic-Instruments/Square-Shoulder/Gibson-Acoustic/Hummingbird.aspx']Gibson Hummingbird acoustic guitar “[/url]

from the specs, the fretboard was made from a “choice piece of Indian rosewood.”

Ignornance of a law does not guarantee you're free to not heed the law.

She should have read the book

 

[faethor]

@Metalman,
Quite a few ifs in there. Accepting all the 'ifs' are true then sure Michelle Obama broke the law.

Though this seems to indicate 6 guitars were taken and some wood. So, I think it's still a question on which type of Rosewood and from where in the world Mrs O's guitar is derived.
http://nashvillepost.com/blogs/postbusiness/2010/8/12/what_the_feds_found_at_gibson

It appears no end users were impacted with recovery or recall of their guitars. So Mrs O's 'punishment' would seem to me to be the same as everyone else. While their guitars broke the law the impact of the raid only went as far as Gibson's existing stock and potential future sales.

 

[Dammy]

Really? Are you serious? You've never heard progressives talk about this? Since the 1800's not even once? You actually think you are on the opposite side of this debate from progressives? You have been so had - but thanks for clearing that up.

Only thing I've heard from Progressives is how evil corporations are and how wonderful big government is. What we are now seeing in the US is how Big Business and Big Government are having uncivil union that would make a pr0n star blush.

 

[Dammy]

Heh, didn't hear that the Lacey Act was updated in 08 to include plants (including wood). Lets put those nasty Gibson executives on trial and if found guilty, put into Club Fed (3-5 years depending on what section was violated). It's the only way to be sure justice is metered out properly.