OMG! Global Warming will kill us with hurricanes in 2013!!!

[cecilia]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/29/world/europe/greenland-megacanyon/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

[climate Name Change ...]

That's hilarious!

 

[redrumloa]

August 30th and still no hurricanes! There is one formation they are giving a 40% chance of development out there coming of Africa. If we don't get a hurricane for the first time IN THE MODERN ERA, will they tr to "hide the decline" and revise the numbers to "normalize" them?

 

[cecilia]

That's hilarious!

VERY hilarious!

even if the group doesn't go along with the name change the rest of us SHOULD rename every storm this way.

 

[cecilia]

I listened to this the other day. Quite informative (and entertaining to boot)

http://www.startalkradio.net/show/startalk-live-storms-of-our-century-part-1/


http://www.startalkradio.net/show/startalk-live-storms-of-our-century-part-2/

I'm reminding people about this podcast because the wonderful Neil deGrasse Tyson talks to scientists about how these big storms are changing.

I forget which part they talk about how there may be fewer storms but the ones that comes will be BIG and certainly more dangerous. Very enlightening.

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As far I I know I'm the only person on Wayzzat that lived through Sandy.

When i was a child hurricanes (rarely) would come up the coast losing power and by the time they showed up in NY all they would do is blow more branches off trees. I recall walking to school the day after a hurricane seeing all the branches in the street. It was interesting but hardly scary.

move ahead to the 21st century:
The difference with Sandy is that it was HUGE

There's lots of images online in case anyone needs to check. It covered a gigantic area of the east coast.


Most of the news concentrated on the coasts so we saw lots of flooding. But what it felt like for me - on higher ground - was something I've NEVER experienced in my life.

We got almost no water. But we did get WIND. The wind was hitting the house like a bullet all night long. I could feel the house tremble as these Gusts smashed against it again and again. We had thousands of trees - 70 years old BIG trees - falling all over Long Island.

torn right from their ROOTS.

I was lucky that there are no large trees near the house, and all my windows are double-paned.


There was nothing normal about Sandy. Not on any level. And we WILL have another one eventually. Maybe not this year, but maybe the next ...and it will continue

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

August 30th and still no hurricanes! There is one formation they are giving a 40% chance of development out there coming of Africa. If we don't get a hurricane for the first time IN THE MODERN ERA, will they tr to "hide the decline" and revise the numbers to "normalize" them?

Enjoy the nice weather while you've got it. Things regress to the mean - after you've had a bad year, you're likely to have a less bad year: after you've had a good year, you're likely to get a less good year.

 

[redrumloa]

As far I I know I'm the only person on Wayzzat that lived through Sandy.

You would be mistaken.

In the last 24 hours, Florida has received one to three inches of rain with some areas receiving up to six inches, he said. There have been problems with beach sand moving onto highways near Fort Lauderdale, he said.

We didn't get a direct impact, rather just the outer bands. The devastation in New Jersey was indeed worse due to the storm surge in an area not prepared for it. For winds you all lucked out as it wasn't even a hurricane when it hit, rather a post-tropical cyclone.

Here is a different perspective for you.

Prepared by South Florida living for Hurricane Sandy

 

[redrumloa]

We got almost no water. But we did get WIND. The wind was hitting the house like a bullet all night long. I could feel the house tremble as these Gusts smashed against it again and again. We had thousands of trees - 70 years old BIG trees - falling all over Long Island.
torn right from their ROOTS.

Sandy wasn't even a category 1 hurricane. Come back and talk to me about hurricanes and winds after living through a category 5 storm such as Andrew.

 

[cecilia]

hurricanes in category 3, 4, 5 are SUPPOSED to happen near Florida.

you completely missed my point (unsurprisingly) that storms like Sandy are NOT normal for the New York area. They aren't normal for the Planet Earth. But they will be now

 

[redrumloa]

hurricanes in category 3, 4, 5 are SUPPOSED to happen near Florida.

you completely missed my point (unsurprisingly) that storms like Sandy are NOT normal for the New York area. They aren't normal for the Planet Earth. But they will be now

Completely wrong.

George Washington’s Hurricane

On July 23-24, 1788 a hurricane moved through the Mid-Atlantic States. That storm is often referenced as the George Washington Hurricane as it was mentioned in his diary. As the storm approached Virginia from the east, the wind began to pick up considerably from the northeast on July 23. Then in the very early hours of July 24 the wind quickly and suddenly shifted to the south and “blew a perfect hurricane, tearing down chimneys and fences”.

That shifting wind from the northeast to the south indicates that eye of that particular hurricane passed right over Mt. Vernon. The storm caused extensive flooding with many drowning victims reported. Also, extensive crop damage was reported with several ships driven on shore. Plus, Washington mentioned that a small ship, The “Federalist” sank during the storm.

From the descriptions of others who also wrote of this storm in their diaries, Mt. Vernon fared better than others, as James Madison, father of the future president said the damage was “beyond description” in Alexandria, Virginia.

What's that? A hurricane in the mid-Atlantic states during the Little Ice Age?!? Yup.

 

[redrumloa]

If you want to be specific to New York, here you go.

List of New York hurricanes encompasses 84 tropical or subtropical cyclones that have affected the state of New York since the 17th century. The state of New York is located along the East coast of the United States, in the Northeastern portion of the country. The strongest of these storms was the 1938 New England Hurricane, which struck Long Island as a Category 3 storm on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale. Killing more than 600 people, it was also the deadliest. Tropical cyclones have affected the state primarily in September but have also hit during every month of the hurricane season, June through November. Tropical cyclones rarely make landfall on the state, although it is common for remnants of tropical cyclones to produce heavy rainfall and flooding.

Damn that history!

But they are getting bigger becasue of global warming, right?

between 1278 and 1438 — A major hurricane struck the modern-day New York/New Jersey area, probably the strongest in recent millennium

Oh dear...

In all seriousness, it is completely normal for New York to be hit by a hurricane as history shows.

 

[redrumloa]

Current system marked #1 is probably your best chance for another named storm. News says in the next 3 days it goes to 50% of becoming a named storm. While it could become a minimal tropical storm, it is really unlikely to become a hurricane.

The more time that passes the better the chance of the first time IN THE MODERN >1966 SATELLITE ERA to have not a single hurricane. I have my fingers and toes crossed!

 

[cecilia]

1788 ???

really?
I know I'm not young but this is before my time. hard as that is to believe.

the issue isn't that there have never been storms. It's that they are getting bigger and more destructive.


I'm not interested in your delusions. I'm sticking with people that actually care about reality

 

[redrumloa]

@cecilia

Keep your fantasies to yourself if you won't even click a Wikipedia link.

September 3, 1821 — The 1821 Norfolk and Long Island hurricane results in severe damage on Long Island and is accompanied by storm surge of 13 feet (4 m). High wind causes a ship to crash on Long Island killing 17 people.[7]

September 21, 1938 — The New England Hurricane of 1938 (Also Called "The Long Island Express") makes landfall on Suffolk County (Long Island) as a category 3 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale.[24] Wind gusts of 125 mph (200 km/h) and storm surge of 18 feet (5 m) washes across part of the island.[25] In New York 60 deaths and hundreds of injuries were attributed to the storm.[26] In addition, 2,600 boats and 8,900 houses are destroyed.[27] Throughout New England the hurricane killed over 682 people,[28] damaged or destroyed over 57,000 homes, and caused property losses estimated at $4.7 billion (2005 US dollars).[29]

September 14, 1944 — The 1944 Great Atlantic Hurricane makes landfall on Long Island as a category 1 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale at a high forward speed of 40 mph (64 km/h). Wind gusts of well over 100 mph (160 km/h) breaks previous wind records in New York City, while a minimum pressure reading of 28.47 inches is recorded on Long Island. 117 homes are completely destroyed, while 2,427 are severely damaged and almost 1000 businesses are destroyed or damaged. In all, six people are killed, and one person is injured.[30]

 

[redrumloa]

1954 — Hurricane Hazel- wind gust of 113 mph atBattery Park, highest ever recorded inNew York City.

August 31, 1954 —Hurricane Carolmakes landfall on Long Island and produces wind gusts of 120 miles per hour (190 km/h) onMontauk Point.[3]On easternLong Islandnear where Carol made landfall, a pressure of 960 mbaris recorded.[31]Winds on the island gust to 120 mph (195 km/h). The hurricane's storm surge covers theMontauk HighwayinMontauk, effectively isolating eastern Long Island for a period of time. Due to the compact nature of the storm, most of Long Island is largely unaffected by the hurricane.[31]Specific damage totals for New York are unknown, although the storm in its entirety causes $460 million (1954 USD) in damage.[31]

September 27, 1985 — Hurricane Gloria makes landfall on Long Island as a Category 2 hurricane. Wind gusts of up to 100 mph (135 km/h) and 3.4 inches (86 mm) of rain [55] contribute to $300 million (1985 USD, $591 million 2007 USD) in damage, and one fatality.[56] In addition, 48 homes on Long Island were destroyed, and hundreds more were damaged.[56]

All of these were powerful than than the post-tropical cyclone (tropical storm strength, no longer a hurricane) that was Sandy. Look at that 1938 storm alone and imagine if it hit today.

 

[redrumloa]

We're halfway through 'unusual' slow season, hurricane-wise

Usually by now, three hurricanes have emerged.

Yet not one has formed and the storm season is already half over. If a monster storm doesn't appear by Wednesday morning, it will set a record for the latest-arriving hurricane since the satellite era began in the mid-1960s.

"It's very unusual," said Bryan Norcross, the former South Florida weathercaster and current hurricane expert for The Weather Channel. "Why this is happening is the subject of a lot of conversation, and not much clarity."

I will enjoy this as long as it lasts.
“There are no mitigating factors that would suppress the activity,” said Gerry Bell, lead outlook forecaster.

it wasn't a one off freak event, the kind of disaster that will happen now again and again because of the carbon we put in the atmosphere and are continuing to put in. we are now entering the first stages of the disaster years.

 

[redrumloa]

As predicted.

Climate Change Might Actually Weaken Hurricanes

Talk about not having a clue. I guess these chumps haven't got the memo that we are actually cooling, thus the scramble to change the discussion from Global Warming to "Climate Change", because less hurricanes from the year before = change!

 

[redrumloa]

As predicted.

Climate Change Might Actually Weaken Hurricanes

Talk about not having a clue. I guess these chumps haven't got the memo that we are actually cooling, thus the scramble to change the discussion from Global Warming to "Climate Change", because less hurricanes from the year before = change!

I guess the cover will need to be changed for the re-release.

What an embarrassment the AGW nutters have become to the scientific community. Einstein must be rolling over in his grave

 

[redrumloa]

But red! Think of the polar bears!!!

Polar bear population reaches its limits

Polar bears were the first species to be listed on the Endangered Species List because of global warming. They were classified as threatened under the law in May 2008.

“There are far more polar bears alive today than there were 40 years ago,” author Zac Unger told NPR in an interview about his new book, “Never Look a Polar Bear in The Eye.” “There are about 25,000 polar bears alive today worldwide. In 1973, there was a global hunting ban. So once hunting was dramatically reduced, the population exploded.”