Private Sector still making new jobs.

[faethor]

Though unemployment is up. I wonder if that cutting back on goverment by laying off workers might have some impact?

 

[redrumloa]

Don't believe everything you read.

McDonalds Hires 62,000, Turns Away Over 938,000 Applicants For Minimum Wage, Part-Time Jobs
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mcdona ... er-content

This is what the US economy has been reduced to: McDonalds reports that as part of its employment event to hire 50,000 minimum wage, part-time (mostly) workers, subsequently raised to 62,000 it received a whopping 1 million applications, or a Tim Geithner jealousy inducing 6.2% hit rate (h/t X. Kurt. OSis). Alas, the US economy is now so pathetic that the bulk of the population will settle for anything. Literally anything. And the saddest part: over 938,000 applicants were turned away. Here's hoping to Burger King needs a few million janitors in the immediate future too. And yes, aside from reality, things in America are really recovering quite nicely.

 

[cecilia]

not everyone works at McDonalds

some people work at Panera's. that franchise has been growing like crazy and is incredibly successful. it's also a nice place visit, a nice place to work and is good for the neighborhood. The one that opened in my area 2 years ago is often so crowded at lunchtime it's impossible to find a seat. The people remember your name and are genuinely friendly. Smart people know how to run a business.

and dumb people start wars that F over everyone, ruin the countries' economy and only put money in the pocket of their oil buddies

the fact that jobs - ANY jobs are being had is good. because ANY money earned is better than nothing. When a bunch of rich assholes have thrown your country down the toilet it takes time to climb out of it.

I just love how some americans (who obviously have been watching to much silly TV) think solutions happen after 30 or 60 minutes :roll:

 

[cybereye]

the fact that jobs - ANY jobs are being had is good. because ANY money earned is better than nothing. When a bunch of rich assholes have thrown your country down the toilet it takes time to climb out of it.

I just love how some americans (who obviously have been watching to much silly TV) think solutions happen after 30 or 60 minutes :roll:

Two years and no improvement on jobs. If you count part time and a minimum wage as to help the economy then we are going to end up as a third country. I think the US had too much banking and real estate as a major industries. It is time to bring back the blue collar worker back in the manufacture industries.

 

[cecilia]

the fact that jobs - ANY jobs are being had is good. because ANY money earned is better than nothing. When a bunch of rich assholes have thrown your country down the toilet it takes time to climb out of it.

I just love how some americans (who obviously have been watching to much silly TV) think solutions happen after 30 or 60 minutes :roll:

Two years and no improvement on jobs. If you count part time and a minimum wage as to help the economy then we are going to end up as a third country. I think the US had too much banking and real estate as a major industries. It is time to bring back the blue collar worker back in the manufacture industries.

the big problem is that all those big companies left the US looking for cheap labor.
do you expect that they will suddenly return to hire americans?

i don't

people have to do what I have always done: rethink their strategies and find somewhat different types of work.

of course, as an artist I have an easier time of it because I have always worked on being flexible. to many people don't know how to be flexible. But if you aren't you lose.

 

[cybereye]

the big problem is that all those big companies left the US looking for cheap labor.
do you expect that they will suddenly return to hire americans?

i don't

people have to do what I have always done: rethink their strategies and find somewhat different types of work.

I agree that people rethink their strategies and find somewhat different types of work and what redrunloa had posted. McDonalds had to turn down 938,000 applicants for minimum wage.

McDonalds Hires 62,000, Turns Away Over 938,000 Applicants For Minimum Wage, Part-Time Jobs
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mcdona ... er-content

The industries became a global. The industries had change while major government is still stuck in baby boomer of thinking. The government will have to get rid of the union and reduce the companies’ tax so it can be in line with other foreign countries. Many foreign companies don’t have a union right on the US soil and workers are happy without the union.

 

[faethor]

New Grads find jobs in science and technology.

 

[cybereye]

the big problem is that all those big companies left the US looking for cheap labor.
do you expect that they will suddenly return to hire americans?

i don't

The industries became a global. The industries had change while major government is still stuck in baby boomer of thinking. The government will have to get rid of the union and reduce the companies’ tax so it can be in line with other foreign countries. Many foreign companies don’t have a union right on the US soil and workers are happy without the union.

I hope this link will change your view about expect that they will suddenly return to hire americans?
http://www.freep.com/article/20110510/B ... 4-200-jobs
It is a tiny start and better then McDonald’s part time hires. As I had says it needed to get blue collor worker back into manufacture industries. I know that one company can't kickstart the economy.

New Grads find jobs in science and technology.

That is great for new white collar worker in the next four years from now if economy inch up slowly. Major people in the US are mostly blue collar worker and I am sure that where the economy may improve.

 

[cecilia]

the big problem is that all those big companies left the US looking for cheap labor.
do you expect that they will suddenly return to hire americans?

i don't

The industries became a global. The industries had change while major government is still stuck in baby boomer of thinking. The government will have to get rid of the union and reduce the companies’ tax so it can be in line with other foreign countries. Many foreign companies don’t have a union right on the US soil and workers are happy without the union.

I hope this link will change your view about expect that they will suddenly return to hire americans?
http://www.freep.com/article/20110510/B ... 4-200-jobs
It is a tiny start and better then McDonald’s part time hires. As I had says it needed to get blue collor worker back into manufacture industries. I know that one company can't kickstart the economy.

yes, GM has the possibilities to Do The Right Thing and support Americans. And Americans most definitely need cars that use less or no gas. AND jobs.

I friend of mine grew up in a town that had all sorts of factories which one by one all left...the neighborhood just descended into slums. This happened long ago btw...

yes, America need factories but I disagree that unions should not exist. My friend's father would have died (sooner) if it wasn't for unions as he suffered from physical conditions that were a direct result of working in this factory. Because of the union he was moved to an office job so that he could still keep working (and paying bills) and not aggravate his medical condition. Unions are not the enemy. Yes, there are abuses because that is something that can happen when you get more than one person in a room. You fight the abuse, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

 

[cybereye]

I disagree that unions should not exist. My friend's father would have died (sooner) if it wasn't for unions as he suffered from physical conditions that were a direct result of working in this factory. Because of the union he was moved to an office job so that he could still keep working (and paying bills) and not aggravate his medical condition. Unions are not the enemy. Yes, there are abuses because that is something that can happen when you get more than one person in a room. You fight the abuse, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

It great that friend's father had a helping hand from the unions. I am sorry that it still won't help my view about the unions. That man should have look for another job while still working. If a job is hurting a person then quit or sues the company. A union is just a mildle man that asks for money from the worker and to give a voice about what a union wants from the worker and the company. In the past, the union did a great job made standards of how to treat the workers. Now union started to become a thud in the company and workers. In the US law of labor is pretty much a union itself as a very basic simple rule to follow and many agree with the law. Many company put a little more effort to add other goodies to keep up with other companies goodies trends so they can try to stop their worker from looking for another jobs.

 

[cecilia]

I disagree that unions should not exist. My friend's father would have died (sooner) if it wasn't for unions as he suffered from physical conditions that were a direct result of working in this factory. Because of the union he was moved to an office job so that he could still keep working (and paying bills) and not aggravate his medical condition. Unions are not the enemy. Yes, there are abuses because that is something that can happen when you get more than one person in a room. You fight the abuse, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

It great that friend's father had a helping hand from the unions. I am sorry that it still won't help my view about the unions. That man should have look for another job while still working. If a job is hurting a person then quit or sues the company. A union is just a mildle man that asks for money from the worker and to give a voice about what a union wants from the worker and the company. In the past, the union did a great job made standards of how to treat the workers. Now union started to become a thud in the company and workers. In the US law of labor is pretty much a union itself as a very basic simple rule to follow and many agree with the law. Many company put a little more effort to add other goodies to keep up with other companies goodies trends so they can try to stop their worker from looking for another jobs.

well, it's easy to say find another job but he worked at this one place for about 30 years and if he gone to another factory and told them he got sick it wasn't going to be so easy to get hired at a new place.

the bottom line is that he would have been fired and the union said NO. and THAT would have fucked him over. with all their faults - and I know unions are not perfect - i'd rather have a Union than workers be slaves to some scumbag ceo

 

[cybereye]

i'd rather have a Union than workers be slaves to some scumbag ceo

My view of slave is a person unable to rely on themselves and have a holding hands with a union or company to fall into security.

 

[faethor]

i'd rather have a Union than workers be slaves to some scumbag ceo

My view of slave is a person unable to rely on themselves and have a holding hands with a union or company to fall into security.

Interesting. If we use this criteria I'd say 1%, or less, of the US is slaves in so far as they're self sufficent.

There's then a blurry group of people whose employer is the government, not a company, and I'd say they are just as much of a slave. Though it doesn't appear so by this one.

So those people who don't hold hands with a union or a company and just live on unemployment and social security aren't slaves? So the problem with these people is the majority of slaves hates those who arent?

I think your definition has some issues.

 

[cybereye]

There's then a blurry group of people whose employer is the government, not a company, and I'd say they are just as much of a slave. Though it doesn't appear so by this one.

So those people who don't hold hands with a union or a company and just live on unemployment and social security aren't slaves? So the problem with these people is the majority of slaves hates those who arent?

I think your definition has some issues.

I was talking about pursuit of happiness and freedom chooses to make. What you are talking about is Money. I do agree that I am a slave to money as we are all pretty much a slave to money. It is kind of sad that many people have to rely on union as a security rather than looking for ways to improve themselves. I made that clear now.

 

[cecilia]

i'd rather have a Union than workers be slaves to some scumbag ceo

My view of slave is a person unable to rely on themselves and have a holding hands with a union or company to fall into security.

it's not slavery when people Unite to make sure they are treated fairly

THAT is taking responsibility for one's life and career and making the best of it. it's just a technique.

what i would like to see is union reform, because I don't think for one minute it's problem free.
But getting rid of it entirely is leaving people open for the abuse that we had in the 19th century when people WERE slaves to the bosses whim. I refuse to go back in time.

and while I have never been in a union (because freelance artists didn't have that when I was starting out) I don't think others should be denied the ability to life free

 

[cybereye]

it's not slavery when people Unite to make sure they are treated fairly

THAT is taking responsibility for one's life and career and making the best of it. it's just a technique.

what i would like to see is union reform, because I don't think for one minute it's problem free.
But getting rid of it entirely is leaving people open for the abuse that we had in the 19th century when people WERE slaves to the bosses whim. I refuse to go back in time.

Yes, it not slavery when people unite to make sure they are treated fairly, but the union is not the people any more. It is a system that rule on its own. If a worker is force what the union tell them what needed to be done then the system is broken. That is when the workers are not taken responsibility and let the union do the ruling. I rather toss them in the trash and see how well it can do without a union. If companies are abuse the workers the government will enforce it. If the government doesn’t enforce it then the workers will raise the union again. It is the people that will enforce it, not the government. That is the price for freedom. Freedom is never cheap. I never had been a union. My sister is in a union. She is not all that happy about the union. She thinks the union is broken, but she still does not want to be 100% toss out the door. She never had been non-union companies before.

 

[cecilia]

that's why I want union REFORM. not union destruction.

heck, when my mother was still teaching she would always object to going on strike because she didn't think it's good for the students. during union meetings when she would state her opinion people would get pissed off and threaten to puncture her tires.

she just stopped using her car to go to work.

are there bullies in unions?? sure there are. this sort of thing went on in the 70's (if I recall). unions have needed reform for a long time.

but not having a union is a worse problem

 

[cybereye]

are there bullies in unions?? sure there are. this sort of thing went on in the 70's (if I recall). unions have needed reform for a long time.

but not having a union is a worse problem

If a union is broken might just toss in the trash and start all over again. You can't fix corruption people within union. Might as well fire all the people are by getting rid of the union. When time come that needed a system to solve a problem then the good people will build it and try to keep the system from being corruption.

 

[faethor]

but not having a union is a worse problem

If a union is broken might just toss in the trash and start all over again. You can't fix corruption people within union. Might as well fire all the people are by getting rid of the union. When time come that needed a system to solve a problem then the good people will build it and try to keep the system from being corruption.[/quote]
The plus of Union is you can fire the corrupt people by voting them out at the next election cycle and/or changing bylaws. Unfortunately you can't fire the corrupt bosses of industry. They're supported by the Board which are often selected individuals that can't be voted out unless the Board decides to vote themselves out.

 

[metalman]

a local union vice president purportedly told members at a meeting, "We have to deal with these spies on a personal level, like take them ... off the company property and off company time and take care of them,"