Ready for the next Ice Age? Winter is coming.

Trump pulls out of the Paris Accord
Now NY is just like Venice!

 
It's about making a 2 class system under a world law. You thought it was about "saving the planet"? LMAO!!!

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FluffyMcDeath said:
Article sounds like it was written by an ignorant tool.
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An ignorant tool?
On Breitbart?
Preposterous!
:p

Why are fishing boats getting caught in multiyear ice in unusual latitudes. Sounds like the multiyear ice is breaking up and drifting into places it's not expected. Guess I'll have to go to the original article.
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Indeed.
The Breitbart piece quotes a Winnipeg Free Press article* but makes some notable omissions, including:

... once out on the water the scientists realized this wasn't the usual sea ice, which would be relatively easy for the icebreaker to plow through, but thicker ice from further north which had broken off because of climate change.
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*Breitbart labels the Free Press link as "a research study in Canada".
Deliberately misleading? Perhaps or perhaps not. You can be the judge.
 
Right because icebergs and have never gone further south than the icecap. The Titanic 100 years ago never really happened, just like the Medieval Warming Period never happened. Also it totally makes sense that the north pole is vastly warmer than further south where ice made it impassable :rolleyes:
 
redrumloa said:
Right because icebergs and have never gone further south than the icecap. The Titanic 100 years ago never really happened, just like the Medieval Warming Period never happened. Also it totally makes sense that the north pole is vastly warmer than further south where ice made it impassable :rolleyes:
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Yes, it's all so much easier when you ignore the details. The most prescient detail being that these are "unusual" conditions. Clearly the researchers, the coast guard and the local fishermen were not expecting this volume of ice and the researchers were surprised by the amount of multiyear ice that was mixed in with the new ice. That implies the old ice is breaking up faster than expected. Yes, they do tend to get ice bergs in that area around May and June - what they are seeing now is something they did not expect.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Yes, it's all so much easier when you ignore the details.
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Yes yes, the Church of AGW seem to do a really good job at ignoring the details. Let me give them to you.

Water freezes at 32F.
Salt water freezes at 28.4F.
The colder it is below those freezing points, more ice forms.

There is a reason they don't call it "Global Warming" anymore and only "Climate Change" as a catch all. No matter what the temperature does, they can claim victory.

Summer comes = "Climate Change"
Winter comes = "Climate Change"
Claim NW Passage is ice free due to "Global Warming", then declare "Climate Change" when proven wrong.
 
redrumloa said:
There is a reason they don't call it "Global Warming" anymore and only "Climate Change" as a catch all. No matter what the temperature does, they can claim victory.

Summer comes = "Climate Change"
Winter comes = "Climate Change"
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Just check the Calendar

Spring = Global Warming
Fall = Climate Change

almost like it's a cycle of weather
 
redrumloa said:
Water freezes at 32F.
Salt water freezes at 28.4F.
The colder it is below those freezing points, more ice forms.
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And year over year there is less ice over the north pole where the ice is formed by sea water freezing in place because the Arctic is spending less time each year below freezing.
Meanwhile, in the Antarctic where the ice caps are the result of snow fall (precipitation), more snow is falling because the ocean is warmer and there is more evaporation leading to increased precipitation over the pole.
There is a reason they don't call it "Global Warming" anymore and only "Climate Change" as a catch all.
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It's the same reason we now call pollution "emissions". It's still pollution but PR companies get paid a lot of money to change the way people talk about things to make it seem less bad and to discourage people from demanding effective regulation. Fact of the matter is that CO2 is still going up and the globe is still warming.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
The virtually spotless face of the sun indicating reduced solar output - meanwhile, still getting hotter down here - so that rules out the sun as the cause.
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Wrong

“It became clear to me very quickly that these weren’t just heavy ice conditions, these were unprecedented ice conditions,” Dr. David Barber, the lead scientist on the study, told VICE. “We were finding thick multi-year sea ice floes which on level ice were five meters thick… it was much, much thicker and much, much heavier than anything you would expect at that latitude and at that time of year.”

It means that a lot of ice was formed last winter cycle and this winter a lot more will be formed
 
metalman said:
It means that a lot of ice was formed last winter cycle and this winter a lot more will be formed
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Multiyear ice is not ice that formed last year. What's happening is that a lot of old tick ice is being lost and washing away into the Atlantic. Sea ice formation in the arctic has been declining and melting increasing. That's what the measurements say.
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FluffyMcDeath said:
Multiyear ice is not ice that formed last year. What's happening is that a lot of old tick ice is being lost and washing away into the Atlantic. Sea ice formation in the arctic has been declining and melting increasing. That's what the measurements say.
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David Barber, Canada’s Research Chair in Arctic System Science at the University of Manitoba, said in 2009 that the ice was melting at an extraordinarily fast rate. “We are almost out of multiyear sea ice in the northern hemisphere," and only “rotten ice” remained. Now in 2017 he says that the ice is mostly broken up multi year ice, and proves warming.


Let us rejoice for what was lost is now found!


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metalman said:
Wrong...

It means that a lot of ice was formed last winter cycle and this winter a lot more will be formed
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So, as someone who thinks the science is nonsense, you're now an authority on the science?

Ok then. :banana:
 
Robert said:
So, as someone who thinks the science is nonsense, you're now an authority on the science?

Ok then. :banana:
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the "Science"

A Climate for Feminist Intervention: Feminist Science Studies and Climate Change


Abstract

For many years, climate change discourse was dominated by a technical-scientific framing based on modernist notions of objective knowledge, control, and efficiency. In recent years, a robust alternative discourse of climate justice has emerged, challenging mainstream adaptation and mitigation policies as reinforcing capitalist, colonialist, and patriarchal power structures and further marginalizing already vulnerable peoples and communities. But while the climate justice movement has provided a sorely needed corrective to climate change discourse, it has been hampered by addressing only policy issues without critically examining the scientific knowledge on which climate change discourse is based. Drawing on critiques of science and technology from ecofeminism and feminist science studies, we argue that scientific knowledge is always already structured by social power relations before it ever enters into policy discussions. In place of the (illusory) God-trick of absolute knowledge and control of the global climate system, we use Haraway’s ideas of feminist objectivity, partial perspective, relations between species, and cyborg standpoints to situate and pluralize knowledge about climate change. This intervention opens up discursive space for multiple, partial knowledge about the climate system, all of which can be held accountable to their ethical and political implications. This pluralization of knowledge allows feminists to recognize and support many forms and venues of climate change-related activism, moving beyond the impasses of international and national political negotiations. Thus, far from dismissing climate change, a feminist critique of climate science makes possible a range of interventions that can more effectively promote social justice and ecological health.


Author Affiliations
  • 1. Departments of Geography and Women’s Studies, The Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA, USA
  • 2. Departments of Rural Sociology and Women’s Studies, The Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA, USA
 
metalman said:
David Barber, Canada’s Research Chair in Arctic System Science at the University of Manitoba, said in 2009 that the ice was melting at an extraordinarily fast rate. “We are almost out of multiyear sea ice in the northern hemisphere," and only “rotten ice” remained. Now in 2017 he says that the ice is mostly broken up multi year ice, and proves warming.


Let us rejoice for what was lost is now found!
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Don't know if you are aware of how reachy and contrived your "scepticism" sounds. Presumably not else you wouldn't be saying it in anything but an ironic sense. If you had a balloon with very little air in it but found that what was escaping from the balloon was mostly air, would that then mean that the balloon was actually full of air?

Fishing boats are getting trapped in ice that is supposed to be somewhere else but it has broken up and been swept south along the coast. It's like when cold Arctic air swoops down in the winter and people in the south complain that the escaping cold air that makes their temperature drop is proof that the planet as a whole is getting colder.
 
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