Ron Paul responds to TSA molesting and voyeurism

cecilia said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101121/ap_on_re_us/us_airport_security_backlash
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Even so, a poll earlier this month by CBS News found 81 percent of Americans support the TSA's use of full-body scanners at airports. The poll, conducted Nov. 7-10, had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Who is this mythical 81%??? Do 81% of everyone you know support this nonsense??? I have not met ONE person yet who does.
 
TSA Chief stated recently that less intrusive methods should be used. Hillary Clinton also commented that she'd be uncomfortable having to do that to travel. I suspect we'll see some changes coming. Hopefully, in time to impact the Christmas Travel season positively.
 
faethor said:
TSA Chief stated recently that less intrusive methods should be used. Hillary Clinton also commented that she'd be uncomfortable having to do that to travel. I suspect we'll see some changes coming. Hopefully, in time to impact the Christmas Travel season positively.
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Can anyone confirm that the new pat down really includes them putting their hand down your pants and fondling your genitalia? I've read multiple articles and hear word of mouth stating they do. I better not ever fly because if some TSA goon tries putting their hand down my pants, I'd knock them the F out.
 
redrumloa said:
Can anyone confirm that the new pat down really includes them putting their hand down your pants and fondling your genitalia? I've read multiple articles and hear word of mouth stating they do. I better not ever fly because if some TSA goon tries putting their hand down my pants, I'd knock them the F out.
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Yes Jim it does. I recently travelled to/from Bonaire, NA through Atlanta and witnessed said pat down on other travellers. The key is not to have the metal detector go off (at least in Atlanta); if you do, you get the option of either body scan or pat down.

With regards to your reaction should you be "selected" for a pat down, you no longer have that option my friend. Given your recent grant by the US Government for your job, should you do what you claim, you will be hauled away by the police (ie arrested), likely prosecuted for striking a federal employee and subsequently reviewed with a possible loss of your government clearance. You do have other official means to protest but all would be after the fact.

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
redrumloa said:
The funny thing is, I am seeing certain news claiming 81% of the American public agree with the screening methods yet I have not met anyone out in the wild who does.
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That's funny because I agree with them. I think some of the procedures around them need to be improved, but overall, I like the idea that everyone on the plane has been thoroughly screened. And in fact don't see what the big deal is. Don't like it? Take a train.
 
ltstanfo said:
With regards to your reaction should you be "selected" for a pat down, you no longer have that option my friend. Given your recent grant by the US Government for your job, should you do what you claim, you will be hauled away by the police (ie arrested), likely prosecuted for striking a federal employee and subsequently reviewed with a possible loss of your government clearance. You do have other official means to protest but all would be after the fact.
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Right, I won't be flying any time soon. If I am forced to fly for some reason, I'll have to choose the radiated peepshow.

What has this country come to? We have to submit to goons fondling not only us, but molesting our wives and children? :firedup:

BTW since the images from these scanners are essential nude images, why aren't screeners being arrested for child pornography? If a 17 yo minor takes a grainy cell phone picture of another 17 yo minor's boob, they get arrested and charged with a felony along with being placed on the sexual predator list yet these TSA goons watch all age children nude all day long?
 
Glaucus said:
redrumloa said:
The funny thing is, I am seeing certain news claiming 81% of the American public agree with the screening methods yet I have not met anyone out in the wild who does.
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That's funny because I agree with them. I think some of the procedures around them need to be improved, but overall, I like the idea that everyone on the plane has been thoroughly screened. And in fact don't see what the big deal is. Don't like it? Take a train.
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Do you have a wife and children? Do you want some goons putting their hands down your kid's pants and feeling up your wife?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
once you're in you can't get out without submitting
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I can see both arguments here. Forcing people to commit ups the ante so that's good from a security point of view (don't want people to keep trying until they find a sympathetic TSA agent who'll just let them pass).

And don't think stripping down will help. They'll just tell you to put your clothes back on so they can pat you down.
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Sorry, no sympathy for morons.

And certain scientists who may know what they are talking about are concerned that there may be statistically significant cancer risk from back scatter machines (pdf)
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Interesting, but reads like a letter written by a bunch of scientists with a political agenda - ie. bad scientists. No facts in there at all, some speculations and a few out right lies. Read the response: Response to University of California - San Francisco Regarding Their Letter of Concern, October 12, 2010.

And here's an article on the underbomber which mentions the witness testimony of a possible accomplice
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Interesting, but where in that article do you see any proof of anything at all? If the CIA/FBI/NSA/TSA/or_any_other_gov_agency were to have assisted him through airline security, they'd make sure to remove the evidence by making sure the bomb worked. And if the government was up to these tricks, wouldn't they have manufactured a bunch of "arrests" in time for this thanksgiving specifically to head off all the protest (opt-out day) against the new measures? It's hard to believe such conspiracies because you 1) have to believe the government agents are perfectly flawless to pull this stuff off and 2) incredibly dumb and useless to make such glaring mistakes. Something just doesn't add up.
 
redrumloa said:
Even so, a poll earlier this month by CBS News found 81 percent of Americans support the TSA's use of full-body scanners at airports. The poll, conducted Nov. 7-10, had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Who is this mythical 81%??? Do 81% of everyone you know support this nonsense??? I have not met ONE person yet who does.
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Here’s how CBS worded its question about the scanners:
Some airports are now using “full-body” digital x-ray machines to electronically screen passengers in airport security lines. Do you think these new x-ray machines should or should not be used at airports?
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81% answered yes


Now compare the wording in ABC’s poll which was just conducted:
The Transportation Security Administration is increasing its use of so-called ‘full-body’ digital x-ray machines to screen passengers in airport security lines. (Supporters say these machines improve the ability to spot hidden weapons and explosives, and reduce the need for physical searches.) (Opponents say these machines invade privacy by producing x-ray images of a passenger’s naked body that security officials can see, and don’t provide enough added security to justify this.) Which comes closer to your own view – do you support or oppose using these scanners in airport security lines?
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this time only 64% answered yes
 
[quote="metalman" ] Which comes closer to your own view – do you support or oppose using these scanners in airport security lines?

this time only 64% answered yes[/quote]
Seems to me ABC news listeners are really dumb! They answered YES to a question that asked if the (a) Support or (b) Oppose? What's Yes mean? Yes they support or yes they oppose? Silly people.
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/How-to-Na ... 0.html?x=0


ok, reading this section:
Once directed to a scanner, passengers empty their pockets and step into an open-ended, refrigerator-sized chamber, usually in the same area as the metal detectors.
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what happens if the person placed inside this COFFIN is claustrophobic???

I mean, i don't have a very serious case, so I think i can put up with a few seconds (although i would feel VERY uncomfortable), but some people may have a serious panic attack

why do they think it's ok torture people like this?

this is still better than being groped by a pervert, however.
 
cecilia said:
what happens if the person placed inside this COFFIN is claustrophobic???
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Well, from what I've seen it's open ended on two sides. The radiation is emitted from the other two sides. Besides, someone who's claustrophobic probably isn't gonna be on a plane for the same reason (they're not exactly spacious now are they? Unless of course you're a first class customer).
 
cecilia said:
this is still better than being groped by a pervert, however.
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Get the grope. There is no reason that the TSA personnel should feel comfortable about violating your privacy - make them suffer for it. Remember, you're the one who is free - they are the slaves.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
cecilia said:
this is still better than being groped by a pervert, however.
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Get the grope. There is no reason that the TSA personnel should feel comfortable about violating your privacy - make them suffer for it. Remember, you're the one who is free - they are the slaves.
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very true. and considering that being touched by a stranger makes me want to throw up, i could do a lot more than JUST embarrass them.
 
Glaucus said:
cecilia said:
what happens if the person placed inside this COFFIN is claustrophobic???
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Well, from what I've seen it's open ended on two sides. The radiation is emitted from the other two sides. Besides, someone who's claustrophobic probably isn't gonna be on a plane for the same reason (they're not exactly spacious now are they? Unless of course you're a first class customer).
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it may look "open" to a regular person, but to someone with claustrophobia, maybe less so.

in the past a claustrophobic, and people with fear of flying would take a flight as part of their therapy to overcome their fears. my point is that with all this shit - this constant assault, such people would have way more to overcome. they may be in the minority, but that doesn't make their mental health irrelevant.

plus, people who start out "normal" can be made neurotic by a physical assault

http://www.ourlittlechatterboxes.com/20 ... sault.html

if someone touched me like this they would end up bloody
 
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I have a feeling there won't be an entrapment defense attempted because I seriously doubt there was an FBI agent involved here. Everything in that article is mere speculation. One can expect an entrapment defense if a great number of "ifs" turn out to be true.
 
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