Scottish independence: Noam Chomsky backing Yes

FluffyMcDeath said:
And now Hillary Clinton and the Pope too. Gosh, there are a lot of people who don't live in Scotland having an opinion about what the Scots should do.
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Aye, if I wasn't already voting yes, by christ, this parcel of rogues would certainly have swayed me.
 
"We are confident that the Scottish people will vote to remain part of the UK family which is the only way Scotland can be certain of its security..."
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Sounds like a veiled threat, "Nice little country you have there. Be a real shame if something happened to it..."
 
Robert said:
Sounds like a veiled threat, "Nice little country you have there. Be a real shame if something happened to it..."
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Exactly. It's like the UK is saying that if they pull out then Russia will invade Scotland. Just nonsense.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Exactly. It's like the UK is saying that if they pull out then Russia will invade Scotland. Just nonsense.
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And in January the idea that Scotland being part of the UK would protect it from Russia was shown up for the farcical sham that it is:
In a calculated test of Britain’s reduced naval capacity in the North Sea, the Russian warship came within 30 miles of the coast.

It was detected nearing Scotland, but the only ship the Royal Navy had available to respond after Ministry of Defence cuts was in Portsmouth, resulting in a delay of 24 hours until it was in position.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tsmouth-base-Putin-testing-response-time.html
 
This blog by an English observer is quite refreshing:

Dear Mr Izzard and all the other English contributors to the recent “Let’s stay together” video,

I am English and live in England. When I woke up to the real prospect of Scotland voting to leave the UK in September, like you and like many other English people, I felt an emotional twinge. I felt indignant with Scots who supported independence. So I followed both campaigns on the internet and got up to speed with the political issues that the referendum is about. I was won over fairly quickly to the “Yes” side. And so, I want to challenge the arguments put forward by you and your colleagues in your video of 15 July.
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The rest of it is here:
http://upholdingenglishhonour.com/2...why-its-ok-for-us-english-to-let-scotland-go/
 
Maybe, just maybe the tide will have completely turned in time:
LONDON — A new poll Tuesday showed a surge in support for Scottish independence, dramatically raising the stakes for Britain’s leaders just weeks before Scots vote on whether to leave a 300-year-old union with the rest of the U.K.

Pollster YouGov said that in its latest poll of more than 1,000 Scots, 42% said they intend to vote for independence in a referendum Sept. 18, while 48% said they plan to vote to keep Scotland part of Britain. The remainder were either undecided or said they won’t take part.

YouGov’s latest poll was carried out between Aug. 28 and Sept. 1.

A poll earlier in August put the ‘no’ lead at 12 points.

“A close finish now looks likely, and a ‘yes’ victory is now a real possibility,” said Peter Kellner, YouGov President, in a blog on his firm’s website.

The pickup in support for the ‘yes’ campaign follows weeks of intense campaigning by both sides, including a bad-tempered televised debate between Alex Salmond, the chief minister in Scotland’s government and leader of the SNP, and Alistair Darling, a Scot and former U.K. finance minister who leads the pro-U.K. Better Together campaign. A snap poll published after the debate showed a majority of viewers thought Mr. Salmond the winner.
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/po...tish-independence-2014-09-02?siteid=rss&rss=1
 
I'm pulling for you yessies but expect the nos to cheat like hell up to and including obstructing polls, lying about the results then saying they don't count afterwards - possibly even ... a frightening "event". London doesn't deserve your loyalty. I feel the same way about Ottawa these days. If Quebec were having a referendum today I'd be egging on the "Oui" side.
 
What? We had Scottish Independence upon a time. What happened?! Kilts, Kilts and Haggis. Heck if it wasn't for the brilliant idea of James to marry Margaret Tudor we wouldn't even have single malt highland we'd be shoving the whole ram inside it's own intestine, with hair.

Heck even Time Travellers from other planets that have so much caring God gifted them with two hearts to hold it all know how to be Scottish, "It's good I'm Scottish. I'm Scottish. I am Scottish. I can complain about things. I can really complain about things now."

:pint:
 
As a Sassenach ;) I like the fact that Scotland is part of the union, our shared identity, etc.

But, I also feel that it is for Scots to determine their own future. As a recent student of politics, I understand the principle of subsidiarity - its a natural evolution in my view.

I also understand how, even in England, there is a widening gulf between London and the rest of the country. I suspect that this London-centric approach to media, finance and Government is even more acutely felt in Scotland.

At the end of the day, if I may use it as a comparison, I love France, but the fact that its not part of the UK doesn't stop me from visiting there, from living there, from working there, etc. it won't be any different if Scotland becomes independent.
 
It's still more likely to be a No vote but, regardless, the process has been a joy to behold and people in general are more engaged than any time I can remember. A lot of people have woken up and hopefully most of them will remain awake afterwards.
 
well, twitter is All A-Twitter about "Yeses"
but that's not a very accurate poling

Just my very brief observation.


anyway, as someone who was born in a country that fought a war for Independence....I say go for it

not the war part...just the Independence part
 
Robert said:
It's still more likely to be a No vote but, regardless, the process has been a joy to behold and people in general are more engaged than any time I can remember. A lot of people have woken up and hopefully most of them will remain awake afterwards.
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I agree with this sentiment. With 40 years of declining voter turnout, any form of political participation must be seen as a good thing.

I said the same thing to friends when public sector workers went on strike over the summer and they looked at me blankly...oh well, as long as they have grumpy cat memes and ice bucket challenges to look at who gives a toss about what those wielding power are up to :rolleyes:
 
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