SLAYER Guitarist Was Killed By 'God,' Says WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH

Christian Terrorists at work again. I'm happy that all religions those terrorists are the minority.
 
I suppose that if you believe God is in control of the universe that makes perfect sense. Equally my great great grandfather was killed by God and so were his parents and his parents parents who would all otherwise be hundreds of years old by now and making it increasingly difficult to set the table for family brunch.
Similarly God made several of the Phelps kids quit the church and will eventually kill Fred too.

On the other hand, since the Christians believe in eternal life their definition of killed is not as terminal as other people may think. Do they mean that God took Jeff to heaven? Or do they think that Jeff went to hell instead in which case killing him was a pretty mean thing to do considering that means he can't now be saved.

Actually if God was playing it smart wouldn't he just let people live for however long it takes for them to be saved and then make them die immediately before they could relapse?

Even better, if babies are innocent and life begins at conception the quickest way to build up numbers in heaven would be to encourage rampant fornication and kill all ova the instant they are fertilized.
 
the god-hates-fags-family are a bunch of morons. they think they have a hotline to their make believe sky daddy and that gives them the right to be bigots
 
"If you talk to God, you're religious. If God talks to you, you're psychotic." - House

And yes, I think that the wbc did well to stay away.

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FluffyMcDeath said:
Equally my great great grandfather was killed by God and so were his parents and his parents parents who would all otherwise be hundreds of years old by now and making it increasingly difficult to set the table for family brunch.
Similarly God made several of the Phelps kids quit the church and will eventually kill Fred too.
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1. irony is lost on the damned.
2. we are all damned.

heh heh
 
redrumloa said:
It is funny how god gave someone like Behemoth's Adam "Nergal" Darski Leukemia and yet failed to kill him.


If god was really bypassing all that free will stuff and knocking people off for their lifestyle, why did he fail to seal the deal with Nergal? :rolleyes:
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Indeed. Anytime I hear someone seriously say, "it's God's will," my heart sinks at the depressing lack of basic nursery-school logic and reason being displayed by the speaker.

Same with idiot sports players on opposing sides in the same match, both thinking God will make their team win if they make a ritualistic, religious gesture.
 
Robert said:
Indeed. Anytime I hear someone seriously say, "it's God's will," my heart sinks at the depressing lack of basic nursery-school logic and reason being displayed by the speaker.

Same with idiot sports players on opposing sides in the same match, both thinking God will make their team win if they make a ritualistic, religious gesture.
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I don't take such a hard line view unless someone is imposing on others. (That goes the other way too, when Atheists oppose on others or just get too smug) The belief in god is probably very comforting, especially to those who have lost loved ones. I'm sure I've said "they are in a better place now" before, even though I didn't specifically mean a tangible heaven.
 
I'm sure I've said "they are in a better place now" before, even though I didn't specifically mean a tangible heaven.
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If you don't believe they're in a tangible heaven, to me I'd feel that you lied. One can respond in a positive way that doesn't create artificially. Typically I say - 'I'm sorry for your loss. My thoughts are with you and your family.' I find it both honest and heartfelt.

Not trying to be too harsh here. But, if I found out in a time of trouble a friend told me something they don't believe I'd find the placating insincerity offensive.
 
faethor said:
If you don't believe they're in a tangible heaven, to me I'd feel that you lied. One can respond in a positive way that doesn't create artificially. Typically I say - 'I'm sorry for your loss. My thoughts are with you and your family.' I find it both honest and heartfelt.

Not trying to be too harsh here. But, if I found out in a time of trouble a friend told me something they don't believe I'd find the placating insincerity offensive.
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I don't agree as "in a better place" is more abstract. If someone was suffering for a long time, death would certainly be "a better place". People who have near death experiences usually state a sense of profound peace.

Besides, I was raised catholic and I am surrounded by people who to some degree fancy themselves "christian" and I don't consider myself an atheist. It just rolls off the tongue. Yeah, I know, you don't like the term Agnostic.
 
redrumloa said:
If someone was suffering for a long time, death would certainly be "a better place".
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Fair point but when I see it applied to a needlessly slaughtered toddler like we saw yesterday, I can't help but wonder at the unthinking idiocy of it.
 
redrumloa said:
I don't agree as "in a better place" is more abstract. If someone was suffering for a long time, death would certainly be "a better place". People who have near death experiences usually state a sense of profound peace.

Besides, I was raised catholic and I am surrounded by people who to some degree fancy themselves "christian" and I don't consider myself an atheist. It just rolls off the tongue. Yeah, I know, you don't like the term Agnostic.
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The reason I don't like agnostic is it's wishy washy unclarity. I'm actually an agnostic atheist. I don't know a god does or does not exist and I don't believe a god exists. One can be a agnostic theist not knowing a god does or does not exist and believes a god to exist. I called myself agnostic for years. Then I figured out it was simply for convenience that I didn't want to deal with other people's prejudices. I got 'old and crotchy'. I'm glad to discuss why those prejudices are wrong, if people want. And if they don't - well it's their problem.

Question around if someone suffers for a long time then death must be 'better place'. I thought before you had stated your opposition to suicide. If death is better shouldn't suicides be an acceptable venue for those in conditions of prolonged suffering? Your statement above almost sounds 'liberal' where one could use quality of life as a ruler of if it's time to stop living.

BTW - NDE appear to be natural event in the surge of electricity of the brain as it falls into an oxygen deprived state. As your brain overloads it shutdowns. If quietness is peaceful, imagine the quietness/peace from not even being able to hear yourself think.
 
I know, you don't like the term Agnostic.
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I know this wasn't directed to me, but I have no problem with that term.

There's nothing wrong with stating "I don't know"

and it's preferable to being dogmatic about something (any god) that has NEVER been proven

and when I say I'm a Proud Atheist I just mean that because there's never been proof of any god I'm simply not obligated to believe it

because there's never been proof the likelihood that any god exists is quite slim - not impossible, just REALLY unlikely.

I must say that atheists speaking out these days against bigotry and intolerance is a Good Thing. What some religious people have to understand is that people like me are against any bigotry that uses religion as the excuse to perpetrate that intolerance. That is completely unacceptable. And I don't care if the evangelical wackadoodles get all butt-hurt because I am calling them out on their idiotic behavior.

They are acting like dicks and I'm saying that OUT LOUD. They need to stay out of other people's private lives and OUT of politics.
 
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Yeah, good luck with that...

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if we are lucky this is when the hate family get their ass kicking comeuppance
 
cecilia said:
There's nothing wrong with stating "I don't know"
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I have totally left agnosticism behind. Personally I think that there definitely IS something wrong with a person, who if asked whether they are currently being used as a seat cushion by an elephant would respond "I don't know". Maybe in an academic / extreme skeptic / nut job kind of way you might be technically correct that we can't actually know anything because we might all be living in the MATRIX, in a practical manner when a proposition that should be incredibly obvious is found repeatedly to profoundly lack evidence in its favour then it is only the particularly pedantic or bloody minded or merely delusional that will say that the proposition might yet have merit.

I cannot absolutely and definitively say that there is zero possibility that an elephant is currently sitting on me, I cannot completely prove that one is not, but I can say that evidence for that proposition is lacking. Sometimes absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.

Evidence of God is as lacking as evidence of leprechauns. I know that neither exists.
 
I'm personally with you, Fluffy.

I only mean to acknowledge that for the people who are still on the journey that both of have already reached I accept THEIR need to simply say, "I don't know" right now.

in other (more concrete) words: around the ages of 5 to 10ish I was trying to figure out this whole 'god' thing. It's not that I really believed that god and santa claus were real. I was just trying to work it out.

I did fine considering that there was No internet and no one but my brother to talk to. And frankly, I don't recall having long talks with my brother about this. Although we both ended up coming to the same conclusion.

In our neighborhood EVERYONE was catholic. It was basically Italian and Irish with a sprinkling of Spanish families - so we were Surrounded. :D


I think the final nail in that coffin was hearing George Carlin's famous record where he talks about being in Catholic school ("Our Lady of Perpetual Motion") and we just sat there going, "wow, I GET this!!"

When you know a stranger has gone through the exact same experience as you - that's the seal of proof that you aren't crazy. it's the NUNS that are out of their minds
 
cecilia said:
where he talks about being in Catholic school ("Our Lady of Perpetual Motion")
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Reminds me that I used to refer to my friends' school as "Our Lady of Aye Ye F*cking Did!"
 
cecilia said:
I'm personally with you, Fluffy.

I only mean to acknowledge that for the people who are still on the journey that both of have already reached I accept THEIR need to simply say, "I don't know" right now.
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Definitely. We're not all at the same stage of development physically or mentally. What we find in our society is religion gets a 'by' and is enabled to indoctrinate the youth. It takes time to unlearn and reject those craziness. It doesn't help that many family and friends ostracize and condemn you in the process. Then others rank you as the most dangerous 'believer' in the world. I can't think of a much greater degree of bullying than what religion has in place. Taking that step to say 'I'm an atheist' also must come with a strong headed assertion of personal freedom to surmount the bullying oppression of, predominately, Christianity's claws in our society. It's far easier to swim in the agnostic pool and not have to fight the random bullies who will attack you because their God tells them to.
 
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