Somali-born teen arrested in bomb plot

Glaucus said:
FluffyMcDeath said:
The question is would they have done it otherwise and in most cases the answer is no
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And I guess this is where you're basing everything on, and that's something I honestly do not agree with. In fact, I believe the opposite: he would have done whatever he could to find a bomb.
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In which case they could have arrested him without getting their hands dirty and risking "entrapment" and having a more compelling case. Why didn't they do that if he was so sure to try to put together a bomb himself or find someone else who would (TWO arrests - yeah!!)?
 
Totally unrelated article: Faking Pharaohs Gold: a sordid tale of real piracy
It was December of 2007, and one Mr. Henry Mantilla, operator of the Southeast Gaming Company, approached a colleague in Las Vegas, Nevada with a proposal. How about we go into the gambling machine distribution business big time, Mantilla suggested, specifically the production and sale of International Game Technology (IGT) slot machines?
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So why am I posting this here? Because the FBI tracked and setup the pirates exactly the same way they did with the terrorists.
Mantilla's new partner agreed to join this venture. There was just one little detail he didn't mention about himself. He would soon become or already was a Confidential Informant (CI) for the Department of Justice.

As a consequence of this omission, the Federal government was able to track the affairs of Mantilla and his associate Rodolfo Rodriguez Cabrera, then bust them for conspiring to produce and sell counterfeit equipment.

In the case of Cabrera, the Feds dragged him to the United States from Latvia, where he ran an IGT slot machine knock-off factory. On May 6, 2010 Cabrera and Mantilla pled guilty to counts of infringement, conspiracy, and trafficking in counterfeit labels.
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You see, it turns out that it's just good police work to allow the suspect to go through the motions of committing the most serious crime that they intended (but without causing any real damage or having any chance of getting away with it) before arresting them. Arresting them too early is only likely to end in an acquittal. Love it or hate it, this type of policing seems to be how it's done and there seems to be no reason to believe that the police did what they did in either case for the purposes of propaganda.
 
Glaucus said:
You see, it turns out that it's just good police work to allow the suspect to go through the motions of committing the most serious crime that they intended (but without causing any real damage or having any chance of getting away with it) before arresting them.
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I'm still not a fan of this sort of thing. It is simply wrong for police officers to participate in crimes. However, many police departments prefer James Bonding around rather than enforcing laws.

Plus I'm also not too arsed about knock-offs and piracy. In fact - this seems to be way down the list of most people's concerns. And in defense of gambling? There's not much to commend any of the parties in this story.

However, this case is hugely different from truck bomb conspiracy. In the case you gave the police became informed at a point that both a man with a motive was in partnership with a man with the means. At that point there wasn't much to do but watch the crime be done.

In the truck bomber case there was a desire and intention but the means was brought in by the police. The counterfeit game machine conspiracy could have proceeded on its own. The truck bomber didn't have anything but the will.

However, I'm sure the truck bomber's underlying bitterness towards Western Society is now much assuaged.
 
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