State issued ID required.

When we vote we identify ourselves and legally swear to that identy.

2008 ~ 110 Minnesotas were charged with crimes of voter fraud. .004% of voters. Out of this the Republicans are pushing a Voter-ID card that will cost $60-80Million in a time when people want us to cut the government?

Voter-ID lots of expense and likely negative impact as it'll disuade the population from voting inceasing the % of population whose will we don't know. -- Voting No this Nov.
 
Doesn't requiring either a Drivers Licence ID and a birth certificate or a passport to cross through a border check point, disuade the population from taking trips to Canada and Mexico?
 
metalman said:
Doesn't requiring either a Drivers Licence ID and a birth certificate or a passport to cross through a border check point, disuade the population from taking trips to Canada and Mexico?
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Yes, it probably does. But your government argues that those documents are required upon entry to help keep out those who may wish to cause harm to the United States. I would expect that the same government would wish to protect it's own government election system in a similar manner. I mean, why create a system that would allow foreign or domestic terrorists to vote for whatever government they want you to have? Integrity should trump convenience.
 
metalman said:
Doesn't requiring either a Drivers Licence ID and a birth certificate or a passport to cross through a border check point, disuade the population from taking trips to Canada and Mexico?
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Driver's License nor Birth Certificate is an option. It's either a passport or a passbook. And yes requiring documentation disuades the population from Canada. It makes legitimate people, who would go to Canada, stay home due to added hardships.

Feel free to associate this with voting stations. All you have to do is switch the term 'Canada' with 'Vote'. -- Here I'll do that for you so you don't have to do the work.
* And yes requiring documentation disuades the population from Voting. It makes legitimate people, who would go vote, stay home due to added hardships.
 
State issued ID required.
Where else? To get into the Democratic National Convention or you cannot vote.


So funny!
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Other places ID required:

The Court System.
So you can watch Attorney General Eric Holder argue that voter ID should be illegal. Ironic!:dumb:
 
faethor said:
Driver's License nor Birth Certificate is an option. It's either a passport or a passbook. And yes requiring documentation disuades the population from Canada. It makes legitimate people, who would go to Canada, stay home due to added hardships.
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So it only disuades Canadians, OK

If you are a US citizen you can present a Driver's License and a Birth Certificate as an alternative to the passport
 
metalman said:
So it only disuades Canadians, OK

If you are a US citizen you can present a Driver's License and a Birth Certificate as an alternative to the passport
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If you are traveling by air you MUST have a passport to get back into the US. That's as per "Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative" passed in 2004. By land you can cross the Canadian and Mexican borders with just an "Enhanced" Driver's License. If you don't live in Michigan, New York, Vermont, or Washington then you won't get an EDL from your state when you get a license so you can't use it for travel outside the US. Of course, if you just happen to be friendly with the local guards they can let you in and out no problem - but they would be doing so illegally.
 
And that lady and gentlemen was a word from a Canadian person who has been repeating himself about American politics for years. You've got to admit it Fluffy, you're stuck in 1st gear.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
If you are traveling by air you MUST have a passport to get back into the US. That's as per "Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative" passed in 2004. By land you can cross the Canadian and Mexican borders with just an "Enhanced" Driver's License. If you don't live in Michigan, New York, Vermont, or Washington then you won't get an EDL from your state when you get a license so you can't use it for travel outside the US. Of course, if you just happen to be friendly with the local guards they can let you in and out no problem - but they would be doing so illegally.
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:rolleyes:

Historically, a U.S. citizen has had to present a U.S. passport only if such passport is required under the provisions of 22 CFR Part 53. Since January 31, 2008, DHS has expected the evidence of U.S., Bermudian. or Canadian citizenship to include either of the following documents or groups of documents:

(1) a document specified in CBP's regulations as WHTI-compliant for that individual's entry;

or (2) a government-issued photo identification document presented with proof of citizenship, such as a birth certificate. CBP retains its discretionary authority to request additional documentation when warranted and to make individual exceptions in extraordinary circumstances when oral declarations alone or with other alternative documents may be accepted.

Final Rule: Homeland Security Digital Library

see page 15 of 151 Documentation at Border

City of Laredo Bridge Web Cameras
 
metalman said:
So it only disuades Canadians, OK
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Why would US Requirements for US Citizens disuade Canadians? You're a bit off.

If you are a US citizen you can present a Driver's License and a Birth Certificate as an alternative to the passport
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As of 1/1/09 adults cannot provide a Birth Certificate, nor a Driver's License. They can get an EnhancedDL which few states have. You need a Passcard or Passport by air or land, now. Minnesota does not have EDL. Does Texas?
 
faethor said:
Why would US Requirements for US Citizens disuade Canadians? You're a bit off.

As of 1/1/09 adults cannot provide a Birth Certificate, nor a Driver's License. They can get an EnhancedDL which few states have. You need a Passcard or Passport by air or land, now. Minnesota does not have EDL. Does Texas?
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Texas residents can cross with a Texas Drivers Licence and a certified copy of their birth certificate

the certification is the embossed state seal that Obama is missing on his
 
Obama wouldn't have an embossed Texas certificate. Silly Metalman.
 
metalman said:
and nowhere on that site does it mention any alternative documents .... it's almost like they don't want to give you an alternative ...
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U.S. Border Crossing Requirements Have Changed- Make sure you are compliant today!
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Simplify your travel checklist!
Starting June 1, 2009, U.S. citizens returning home from Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean or Bermuda, by land or sea, are required to present one of the travel documents listed below.
U.S. Passport – This is an internationally recognized travel document that verifies a person’s identity and nationality. It is accepted for travel by air, land and sea.
U.S. Passport Card – This is a new, limited-use travel document that fits in your wallet and costs less than a
U.S. Passport. It is only valid for travel by land and sea.
Enhanced Driver’s License (EDL) – Several states
and Canadian provinces are issuing this driver’s license
or identification document that denotes identity and citizenship. It is specifically designed for cross-border travel into the U.S. by land or sea.
Trusted Traveler Program Cards – Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI or FAST enrollment cards can speed your entry into the U.S. and are issued only to pre-approved, low-risk travelers. The cards are valid for use at land or sea; the NEXUS card can be used in airports with a NEXUS kiosk.
Special Groups – Information for Children, Groups of Children, Native Americans, "Closed Loop" Cruises, U.S. Lawful Permanent Residents, U.S. Military, Merchant Mariners, Ferries and Small Boats, and Boaters.
Knowing what documents are required and having them ready when you return home will help streamline the entry process and ensure your return to the U.S. is as smooth
as possible.
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For air travel it's more restrictive. You still get in and out on your DL and BC? Good for you.
 
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